GT 5/5/13 Sox @ Burger Royal 1:10 pm

[Balta1701]

Mostly relievers.

 

There's Santiago, but Quintana was "developed" by the Yankees.

 

Santos came from the D-Backs and was a SS.

 

Axelrod was a 30th round pick of the Padres.

 

We can/should take credit for Gio, Hudson, Clayton Richard, etc. But we mismanaged those assets in the case of Gio/Hudson.

 

 

If you believe that Hahn can continue to have the same luck finding prospects from other organizations and not end up with more Zach Stewarts and Nestor Molinas instead.

 

 

Roy Halladay is DONE. Put a fork in him. ERA well above 6 now.

 

When you reach the point of not giving the White Sox credit for developing Axelrod and Quintana into useful pieces, you've gone overboard.

[Soxfest]

Sox catchers need a major upgrade.

[fathom]

So balta my man, what do you think they should do? I don't mean that sarcastically.

[The Ginger Kid]

So that means dont try?

No, I just question if they can realistically contend. In the cycle of things, this might be the time to re-load.

[Baron]

It would take something going very wrong for Detroit for them not to be the favorite in the division the next few years. I said it the other day, but it's the best team in the AL Central the Sox have had to contend with since the Thome/Manny Indians. The whole rebuilding process would be different if the Sox were 1 or 2 players on offense away from being a powerhouse, but who can you really pencil into the starting lineup with confidence for the 2015 season? There currently are no sure-fire offensive players in the organization for the future.

 

You could have just said yes. That would have cut down on the bull explanation. You know exactly what kind of mentality is. That stance is absolutely laughable.

[caulfield12]

I think Viciedo will become 1b next year.

 

 

Whoever said to count on Sanchez for 2B/SS in 2014 might be getting ahead of themselves at this point.

[Jake]

He doesn't hit enough. He needs to be moved to RF or traded.

 

LOL

 

This is the perfect example of why Soxtalk would never have the stomach for a rebuild. Viciedo plays one major league season, hits 25 bombs and 75 RBI, and he is trash. You guys would never have been able to handle the development of the guys you love on KC, many of whom are still not producing

Edited May 5, 2013 by Jake

[Capn12]

On the marginal players part...most teams would have marginal players playing at the highest level when they have to go 32 deep. Look at our rotation for crying out loud, we're getting regularly solid performances out of pitchers #6 and #7 and it's still not enough. And for having no minor league system to speak of in your words, we're getting some serious performances out of the guys we're using, particularly pitchers again.

 

I will, however, make no defense of the manager and consider your statement 100% accurate.

 

I do think the starting pitching has been overall, better. But, look how many 5 inning....6 inning performances we're getting. The bullpen is 3-4 guys deep into every ball game. That isn't going to be feasible, come August or September. And ANY team that thinks Keppinger is an everyday starter is already possessing a failure mentality.

 

We have visible holes at catcher, second (for now), third unless Gillaspie is a miracle worker, left field, and the entire bench....possibly even at DH due to the abomination of a signing in 2010.

[Baron]

LOL

 

This is the perfect example of why Soxtalk would never have the stomach for a rebuild. Viciedo plays one major league season, hits 25 bombs and 75 RBI, and he is trash. You guys would never have been able to handle the development of the guys you love on KC, many of whom are still not producing

 

5 years into it and this forum would be a ghost town.

[Balta1701]

So balta my man, what do you think they should do? I don't mean that sarcastically.

Get healthy and start taking bats to people's heads first and foremost. I'm not sure if that is contradictory or not.

 

If this team keeps playing this way, yes, fine, Peavy is a moveable piece come July. If Dunn keeps hitting the way he has the last 2 weeks, maybe you can get lucky and drop him on waivers

 

Otherwise, play the guys you have the rest of the way. You guys want to develop this cheap young talent, but then guys like Flowers, Viciedo, and Beckham struggle out of the gates like most players do (just ask the Royals), and then you declare the position open and unfilled.

[The Ginger Kid]

in the meantime, Nate Jones shut them down. Which is big for him.

[iamshack]

Mostly relievers.

 

There's Santiago, but Quintana was "developed" by the Yankees.

 

Santos came from the D-Backs and was a SS.

 

Axelrod was a 30th round pick of the Padres.

 

We can/should take credit for Gio, Hudson, Clayton Richard, etc. But we mismanaged those assets in the case of Gio/Hudson.

 

 

If you believe that Hahn can continue to have the same luck finding prospects from other organizations and not end up with more Zach Stewarts and Nestor Molinas instead.

 

 

Roy Halladay is DONE. Put a fork in him. ERA well above 6 now.

How many quality big league pitchers have come out of our system in recent years? It doesn't matter where we got them, or who drafted them, or what position they used to play.

 

Say what you want about our "ranking." The system has done exactly what it is supposed to do, in fact, far more than most.

[The Ginger Kid]

atta boy Hector

[The Ginger Kid]

weezy, keep it going

[Balta1701]

I do think the starting pitching has been overall, better. But, look how many 5 inning....6 inning performances we're getting. The bullpen is 3-4 guys deep into every ball game. That isn't going to be feasible, come August or September. And ANY team that thinks Keppinger is an everyday starter is already possessing a failure mentality.

 

We have visible holes at catcher, second (for now), third unless Gillaspie is a miracle worker, left field, and the entire bench....possibly even at DH due to the abomination of a signing in 2010.

We're getting so many 5-6 inning performances right now because we are soon going to be running out our 8th starter and because we're developing a pair of young left handers.

 

 

[Soxfest]

Whoever said to count on Sanchez for 2B/SS in 2014 might be getting ahead of themselves at this point.

I never mentioned Sanchez?

[fathom]

Otherwise, play the guys you have the rest of the way. You guys want to develop this cheap young talent, but then guys like Flowers, Viciedo, and Beckham struggle out of the gates like most players do (just ask the Royals), and then you declare the position open and unfilled.

 

How is Beckham comparable? He's been given so much rope by the Sox (and this forum). I get the Flowers comment though, and I do agree he needs a whole year to prove what he can do.

[Jake]

How many quality big league pitchers have come out of our system in recent years? It doesn't matter where we got them, or who drafted them, or what position they used to play.

 

Say what you want about our "ranking." The system has done exactly what it is supposed to do, in fact, far more than most.

 

Its only sin is not producing a truly great player in a long time - like Frank Thomas, Robin Ventura. Aw shucks.

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

Sox catchers need a major upgrade.

 

I think it's only a matter of time before Phegley is called up. Gimenez serves zero purpose to this team. Time for the Sox to see what they have there.

[caulfield12]

You could have just said yes. That would have cut down on the bull explanation. You know exactly what kind of mentality is. That stance is absolutely laughable.

 

 

If players like Sanchez, Thompson, Mitchell and Walker had continued to progress, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

If Brent Morel became a solid big leaguer as projected at one point, we wouldn't have needed Keppinger.

 

We might be talking Phegley or Kevan Smith as our "catcher of the future" as early as a month or two from now.

 

 

They're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

 

Trading the likes of Erik Johnson or Beck or Snodgress to replace all your position players is not going to be a good recipe for success because you can't have a $50-60 million plus starting rotation.

[The Ginger Kid]

I bereeve in you!

[fathom]

How many quality big league pitchers have come out of our system in recent years? It doesn't matter where we got them, or who drafted them, or what position they used to play.

 

Say what you want about our "ranking." The system has done exactly what it is supposed to do, in fact, far more than most.

 

Yep, the pitching has been developed quite well, and that's probably why you see some guys going elsewhere and contributing. Far and away the weakest aspect of this organization was/is developing offensive contributors.

[Balta1701]

I think it's only a matter of time before Phegley is called up. Gimenez serves zero purpose to this team. Time for the Sox to see what they have there.

Give that until June. If nothing else, Giminez might have some other team that would claim his services if he was available; teams always need warm bodies to fill in when catchers get injured

[fathom]

Its only sin is not producing well-rounded offensive players.

[Soxfest]

Let's score some runs this inning.