DSL White Sox

[ChiSoxJon]

Anyone know if there are any prospects on the DSL team? Any new international signings either? Over the past handful of years, who from the DSL team has made it to play full season in the states?

[NorthSideSox72]

Anyone know if there are any prospects on the DSL team? Any new international signings either? Over the past handful of years, who from the DSL team has made it to play full season in the states?

Olacio and a list of others have come from DSL in recent years. One guy who looks interesting that is new to full-season this year is Braulio Ortiz, age 21, with Kanny. He's been hitting low-mid 90's and striking out a good number of batters.

 

But the Sox really started spending bigger in LatAm in the past year or two. Some guys to watch in DSL this upcoming season:

 

RHP Luis Martinez signed for 250k in '12, he's 6'4" and at age 17 was already throwing 88-91 touching 92.

RHP Victor Done signed last August, at age 16, has hit 91 already and has a solid delivery per BA.

3B Luis Castillo signed for 450k as a 16 year old in July, plus power potential.

SS Johan Cruz also signed for 450k at 16, was said by scouts to be one of the best skill-infielders in DR at that age.

OF Hanlet Otano signed last year at age 16 as well, he's already 6'4" and 200 pounds, has plus power potential.

 

So there are some guys to watch, definitely. Much more so this year than in years past.

[danman31]

I'm not sure we'll see all of those guys in the DSL. They don't always suit up right away.

[oldsox]

It still blows my mind that teams throw this kind of money around to 16 yr old kids, where in the States they can't do that.

[NorthSideSox72]

I'm not sure we'll see all of those guys in the DSL. They don't always suit up right away.

Hard to tell. Some of them I read articles about last year in a mini-camp, and some might repeat that again. We'll see when the rosters come out.

 

[southsider2k5]

Sorry for the oblivion, but what is DSL? Instructional league I assume?

 

Dominican Summer League.

[NorthSideSox72]

Sorry for the oblivion, but what is DSL? Instructional league I assume?

 

 

Dominican Summer League.

 

Right. Specifically, it is a feeder league for LatAm prospects. In some cases, players cannot yet come to the US because, I think, they need to be 18 years old or something like that. Other players are just not ready yet, or won't ever be, for affiliated Rookie ball in the States. They start play at the beginning of June.

[Balta1701]

Thanks for the response and info.

 

So, in the past these are the guys the Wilder was using to make money, am I right? While I am sure it is too early to tell but it seems that these guys have pretty good potential. I mean, if they're throwing 93 and getting signed for hundreds of thousands, you have to think the organization has decent hope for them?

These guys are expensive lottery tickets. The odds of any individual one making it to the big leagues are very low, but if you throw enough of them out there, eventually one of them you hope turns into a King Felix type signing and makes your organization better for a decade.

[Balta1701]

Just looking at the size, age and money thrown at these guys, they have to have SOME stability. You don't think any of these guys have ability/potential to make top 20 prospect lists in the next couple of years? I mean with the amount of Latinos in baseball and most of them coming through signings like this we should see at least one of these guys in Chicago at some point. Am I right?

Couple years? No. The bust rate on guys like this is extraordinary. They're signed incredibly young, they've never done anything close to competing against minor league talent, and they have, in most cases, 5 years of development ahead of them before they can talk about being on a top 20 prospect list.

 

They're 16 year olds. Their bodies have years of additional development before they even stop growing. Some of their skills are projectable, but just assume a 95% or worse chance that none of these guys ever makes it to the big leagues. If you do better than that, great, but if you're signing 10 guys like this a year, you might come up with a serious hit every few years.

[southsider2k5]

Couple years? No. The bust rate on guys like this is extraordinary. They're signed incredibly young, they've never done anything close to competing against minor league talent, and they have, in most cases, 5 years of development ahead of them before they can talk about being on a top 20 prospect list.

 

They're 16 year olds. Their bodies have years of additional development before they even stop growing. Some of their skills are projectable, but just assume a 95% or worse chance that none of these guys ever makes it to the big leagues. If you do better than that, great, but if you're signing 10 guys like this a year, you might come up with a serious hit every few years.

 

Yeah, you are basically watching the age equivalent of high school freshmen and sophomores and trying to project them into grown ass men.

[kevo880]

I said a couple of years for Top 20 prospect lists, not Chicago. Interesting either way. I am trying to think of the last South American player that has made their way to staying in MLB. The steroid era gave us production of Magglio Ordonez and Carlos Lee. Aside from that we really haven't had any big success. Fautino de Los Santos was a pretty good prospect. That's all I can think of...

 

Is it a concensus around here that Ordonez and Lee were both juicing?

[caulfield12]

I said a couple of years for Top 20 prospect lists, not Chicago. Interesting either way. I am trying to think of the last South American player that has made their way to staying in MLB. The steroid era gave us production of Magglio Ordonez and Carlos Lee. Aside from that we really haven't had any big success. Fautino de Los Santos was a pretty good prospect. That's all I can think of...

 

Through our system?

 

Maybe Eduardo Escobar. Jesus Pena. A lot of other guys came through other organizations, guys like Leyson Septimo or Damaso Marte/Ozuna, going way back.

 

DLS wasn't South American. And C-Lee/Caballo was Panamanian.

Edited May 9, 2013 by caulfield12

[witesoxfan]

Yeah I was referring to guys we initially signed so Septimo, Marte and Ozuna wouldn't apply. DLS is from the DR. Is Central America considered North America or South America? I am kind of embarrassed I don't know.

 

 

Anything south of the US except Puerto Rico is considered Latin America. Mexican and Cuban Leagues typically produce older players but guys like Joakim Soria and Jorge Soler happen too.

[cabiness42]

Yeah I was referring to guys we initially signed so Septimo, Marte and Ozuna wouldn't apply. DLS is from the DR. Is Central America considered North America or South America? I am kind of embarrassed I don't know.

 

Geologically the Panama canal divides the continents of North and South America, but culturally Mexico, Central America, and South America are generally lumped together and called Latin America.

 

[maggsmaggs]

Is it a concensus around here that Ordonez and Lee were both juicing?

I would argue that most of the Latin American prospects take stuff. Making it to the Majors is their ticket out of poverty and a way to provide for their family. Most of us here probably would juice, too, in their situations.

[witesoxfan]

I would argue that most of the Latin American prospects take stuff. Making it to the Majors is their ticket out of poverty and a way to provide for their family. Most of us here probably would juice, too, in their situations.

 

I would have juiced as an American citizen.