Buehrle>Wood Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Some people here had me convinced he would be half way competent of a starting catcher. LMFAO, I am dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 He's not a major-league starter. deserves a few more weeks. But it's not going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ May 11, 2013 -> 08:25 PM) He's not a major-league starter. deserves a few more weeks. But it's not going to happen. You really think those at-bats will go to Gimenez, Phegley or Bryan Anderson? Good luck believing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Hawk and Stone tonight said that the White Sox lead the league in passed balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ May 11, 2013 -> 09:30 PM) Hawk and Stone tonight said that the White Sox lead the league in passed balls. In errors too I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Flowers has 4 himself. The team has 7, I think. And we are tied for the AL lead in errors (plus, we have fewer games played than most teams) and tied for worst fielding percentage. We'll be all alone in that category after tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 when I said it's not going to happen, I meant it's not going to happen that Flowers becomes a competent big-league catcher. But I'm not sure how you can keep trotting a guy out there who leads the league in passed balls and hits less than .180. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ May 11, 2013 -> 08:45 PM) when I said it's not going to happen, I meant it's not going to happen that Flowers becomes a competent big-league catcher. But I'm not sure how you can keep trotting a guy out there who leads the league in passed balls and hits less than .180. Occasional big homers and walks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 12, 2013 -> 02:20 AM) Some people here had me convinced he would be half way competent of a starting catcher. LMFAO, I am dumb. I was hopeful when he homered on Opening Day. I need to stop thinking Opening Day means anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 (edited) Tyler Flowers makes me yearn for Jorge Fabregas or Mark Johnson. But not Josh Paul. Yet. Edited May 12, 2013 by winninguglyin83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Hey, it's alright, I really thought he's be a Mike Napoli-lite. A lot of us are big dummies right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffro2525 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Even if Flowers "succeeded" this year it was pretty obvious that he wouldn't be hitting much higher than .220-.230...it wasn't rocket science in the off season that this line-up could not withstand that(let alone the .180 he's hitting now). Too not at least bring in a competent veteran back-up to Flowers was a gross miscalculation by our new GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I at least tought he would be good defensively, but he's bad at that too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I was one of his biggest proponents and I'm completely disappointed. With that said, he needs more time. This team is so unbelievably bad right now that I can't judge anybody. PK has been abysmal. Keppinger makes me yearn for Getz. It's just a s*** show all over the place. Viciedo and Rios are the only 2 guys that look like they've ever seen a baseball. It's f***ing bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 When Pierzynski signed with the Rangers, my Dad was extremely upset. I told him we need to give Flowers a chance. He responded with "Are you kidding, we are stuck with another Ron Karkovice" Moral of the story here is, my old man knows his baseball and I was wrong. Flowers is indeed crap. He would make a decent backup but he has proven to us that he is not a good every day catcher. His defense is well below average and he can't hit water if he jumped out of a boat. The fact that we have two guys on our starting lineup hitting below .200 is an absolute joke! This team's current standing is a reflection of Hahn pretty much sitting on his hands this past winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ May 11, 2013 -> 11:22 PM) When Pierzynski signed with the Rangers, my Dad was extremely upset. I told him we need to give Flowers a chance. He responded with "Are you kidding, we are stuck with another Ron Karkovice" Moral of the story here is, my old man knows his baseball and I was wrong. Flowers is indeed crap. He would make a decent backup but he has proven to us that he is not a good every day catcher. His defense is well below average and he can't hit water if he jumped out of a boat. The fact that we have two guys on our starting lineup hitting below .200 is an absolute joke! This team's current standing is a reflection of Hahn pretty much sitting on his hands this past winter. So, if we signed AJ, we would be overpaying a veteran, on a bad team, who also happens to be on the DL. Sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ May 11, 2013 -> 10:22 PM) When Pierzynski signed with the Rangers, my Dad was extremely upset. I told him we need to give Flowers a chance. He responded with "Are you kidding, we are stuck with another Ron Karkovice" Moral of the story here is, my old man knows his baseball and I was wrong. Flowers is indeed crap. He would make a decent backup but he has proven to us that he is not a good every day catcher. His defense is well below average and he can't hit water if he jumped out of a boat. The fact that we have two guys on our starting lineup hitting below .200 is an absolute joke! This team's current standing is a reflection of Hahn pretty much sitting on his hands this past winter. Karkovice was at least an excellent defensive catcher and could bunt better than almost anyone on the team. He had some skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ May 11, 2013 -> 10:33 PM) So, if we signed AJ, we would be overpaying a veteran, on a bad team, who also happens to be on the DL. Sweet. It's not so much keeping AJ or Buehrle, those were no brainers. It's misjudging the talent behind them, in the case of our current catching issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 11, 2013 -> 11:54 PM) It's not so much keeping AJ or Buehrle, those were no brainers. It's misjudging the talent behind them, in the case of our current catching issues. Where are these elite catchers that were available? Flowers was a good prospect. You guys act like everything happens in a vacuum. I can't wait until we get rid of some contracts and want to spend some money and free agents just don't want to play here. What will you guys cry about then? Heads up, free agents have never wanted to play for the second team in the second city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ May 11, 2013 -> 11:22 PM) When Pierzynski signed with the Rangers, my Dad was extremely upset. I told him we need to give Flowers a chance. He responded with "Are you kidding, we are stuck with another Ron Karkovice" Moral of the story here is, my old man knows his baseball and I was wrong. Flowers is indeed crap. He would make a decent backup but he has proven to us that he is not a good every day catcher. His defense is well below average and he can't hit water if he jumped out of a boat. The fact that we have two guys on our starting lineup hitting below .200 is an absolute joke! This team's current standing is a reflection of Hahn pretty much sitting on his hands this past winter. If we had signed AJ, we would still be an under .500 team and would have wasted 2014 testing Flowers. If he is this bad, it's good to know while the team appears to suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ May 12, 2013 -> 05:02 AM) Where are these elite catchers that were available? Flowers was a good prospect. You guys act like everything happens in a vacuum. I can't wait until we get rid of some contracts and want to spend some money and free agents just don't want to play here. What will you guys cry about then? Heads up, free agents have never wanted to play for the second team in the second city. Free agents would pay in Montreal if it meant paying them more money than other teams. Adam Dunn initially wanted to play for the Cubs when he became a free agent, but after they weren't interested, he had no problem in acting like the White Sox was the team he wanted to play for all along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 12, 2013 -> 05:04 AM) If we had signed AJ, we would still be an under .500 team and would have wasted 2014 testing Flowers. If he is this bad, it's good to know while the team appears to suck. +10000000000000000000000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Catch as catch can: Sox pitchers entered Saturday night's game owning a .230 opponents' batting average (120 of 521) at U.S. Cellular Field. Manager Robin Ventura also gives credit to his catchers — Tyler Flowers and Hector Giminez — for the success of the pitchers. "They do a good job of being on task with what the game plan is and getting pitchers to execute," Ventura said. "Any time pitchers do well, there has to be some sort of connection with their catcher, and they are doing a good job." Mitchell, tribune.com/sports/whitesox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ May 12, 2013 -> 12:06 AM) Free agents would pay in Montreal if it meant paying them more money than other teams. Adam Dunn initially wanted to play for the Cubs when he became a free agent, but after they weren't interested, he had no problem in acting like the White Sox was the team he wanted to play for all along. That's absolute bulls***. The Sox have tried to sign FA's and been successful few times. They've even tried to overpay. (Hunter) You guys look at every team as if they're equal, and they're not. One of the reason I liked KW was that he understood that he had to be unorthodox and aggressive to win here. It's not a coincidence that he's a Raiders fan. He had some Al Davis in him. Yeah, sometimes he took huge risks and struck out, but he always fielded a competitive team that was capable of making noise. He drafted low ceiling/high floor players to fill roster spots and tried to get impact players through trades. It didn't work out, but I get his philosophy and think it was a good one. All teams aren't created equal, and the Sox aren't an attractive organization. That's the reality. All things equal, free agents don't want to play on the south side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ May 11, 2013 -> 08:28 PM) Hey, it's alright, I really thought he's be a Mike Napoli-lite. A lot of us are big dummies right now. That was me too QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 11, 2013 -> 09:54 PM) It's not so much keeping AJ or Buehrle, those were no brainers. It's misjudging the talent behind them, in the case of our current catching issues. Well said I don't know about you guys but tonight was the low point as far as I'm concerned. Hawk says they can't play any worse, but I'm starting to doubt they'll play any better. Keppinger and Dunn...just wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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