CWSOX45 Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 What's the deal? I thought we would have this guy by now considering all the talk about him. Than again are these talks dead because we acquired Sully? CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 He was supposed to sign as soon as the league he played in ended. And, even though we got Sully, I still think we should sign Paniagua. I mean, we might as well, what could it hurt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted August 23, 2003 Author Share Posted August 23, 2003 He was supposed to sign as soon as the league he played in ended. And, even though we got Sully, I still think we should sign Paniagua. I mean, we might as well, what could it hurt? I agree. Except we'd have to send someone down when he is ready. Who would it be? CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 It's my guess they didn't like what they saw, thus the trade for Sully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 It's my guess they didn't like what they saw, thus the trade for Sully. I'd have to agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 With this trade for Sullivan I gotta figure we aren't going to see Pantiagua, at least not this year. Maybe we will bring him to winterball or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 If they signed him they'd do it to a minor league deal and send him to Charlotte most likely, giving them some aid. Then when the rosters expand you'd see him up. Unless they could figure out a way to finangle it so he could potentially be on the postseason roster, if he pitched good. Either way, I think at this point in time the pen looks set as long as everyone stays healthy. Only spot left is whether Koch comes back or not. And as long as he's not on the DL, he'll be on the postseason roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Paniagua sucks, or 15 teams would be beating his door down right now. He was released by Detroit last year and couldn't make Tampa Bay in spring training. He would be the worst pitcher on the Sox staff if he were here. Quit the pipe dream of thinking he is what he was in 2000, he's not. One more time, he wasn't good enough for Detroit or Tampa Bay, that should tell you something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted August 23, 2003 Author Share Posted August 23, 2003 Paniagua sucks, or 15 teams would be beating his door down right now. He was released by Detroit last year and couldn't make Tampa Bay in spring training. He would be the worst pitcher on the Sox staff if he were here. Quit the pipe dream of thinking he is what he was in 2000, he's not. One more time, he wasn't good enough for Detroit or Tampa Bay, that should tell you something. Loaiza wasn't good enough for Toronto, Texas or Pittsburgh. Anything can happen. If anyone predicted Loaiza being a Cy Young candidate earlier this year you along with everyone else would have told them they were full of s***. That's the thing about baseball, Paniagua could still be a dominating pitcher even after he had horrendous seasons with the two worst teams in baseball. You can assume all you want, however I think it couldn't hurt to give him a shot in AAA. That way if he sucks he can stay down there or we can release him, or if he's lights out we call him up in September. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Loaiza wasn't good enough for Toronto, Texas or Pittsburgh. Anything can happen. If anyone predicted Loaiza being a Cy Young candidate earlier this year you along with everyone else would have told them they were full of s***. That's the thing about baseball, Paniagua could still be a dominating pitcher even after he had horrendous seasons with the two worst teams in baseball. You can assume all you want, however I think it couldn't hurt to give him a shot in AAA. That way if he sucks he can stay down there or we can release him, or if he's lights out we call him up in September. CWSOX45 There's a week left in the Charlotte season. Not enough time to evaluate this bum. If Loiasa stunk up the joint in spring training this year, he would be selling used cars. Pantiagua couldn't impress Tampa THIS spring, and was horrible in Detroit, when the fences were 4000 ft. from homeplate. I don't know why everyone is so fascinated with a guy who was last effective in 2000, and even then not that great. Sirotka was good in 2000, why don't the Sox go after him? St. Louis is so desparate for pitching the trade for Sterling Hitchcock, why don't they go after this guy? The fact that Paniagua hasn't signed yet indicates to me common sense has prevailed with White Sox management. Ginter, and Adkins are both better options than this guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 the guy was a solid reliever with loads of potential for a few years then has one bad year, which really wasn't bad (just a few TERRIBLE outings) and he's a bum? it is funny how quick people are to knock a guy just because they want to criticize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 the guy was a solid reliever with loads of potential for a few years then has one bad year, which really wasn't bad (just a few TERRIBLE outings) and he's a bum? it is funny how quick people are to knock a guy just because they want to criticize. Couldnt agree more. The way i look at it is, hes more good outings than bad ones. Id be willing to take a look at him, for sure. You NEVER, and i repeat NEVER have enough veteran relief pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Loaiza wasn't good enough for Toronto, Texas or Pittsburgh. Anything can happen. If anyone predicted Loaiza being a Cy Young candidate earlier this year you along with everyone else would have told them they were full of s***. That's the thing about baseball, Paniagua could still be a dominating pitcher even after he had horrendous seasons with the two worst teams in baseball. You can assume all you want, however I think it couldn't hurt to give him a shot in AAA. That way if he sucks he can stay down there or we can release him, or if he's lights out we call him up in September. CWSOX45 There's a week left in the Charlotte season. Not enough time to evaluate this bum. If Loiasa stunk up the joint in spring training this year, he would be selling used cars. Pantiagua couldn't impress Tampa THIS spring, and was horrible in Detroit, when the fences were 4000 ft. from homeplate. I don't know why everyone is so fascinated with a guy who was last effective in 2000, and even then not that great. Sirotka was good in 2000, why don't the Sox go after him? St. Louis is so desparate for pitching the trade for Sterling Hitchcock, why don't they go after this guy? The fact that Paniagua hasn't signed yet indicates to me common sense has prevailed with White Sox management. Ginter, and Adkins are both better options than this guy I don't think anyone was fascinated with him. I just think that most thought it would be a good idea to take a look at the guy in a no lose situation. Why such hatred for a guy that was being discussed as possibly signing a minor league contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 allegedly the guy had a bad arm. If he's healthy, he's certainly worth a look. He used to be filthy when he pitched against the Sox as a mariner. What could it hurt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Loaiza wasn't good enough for Toronto, Texas or Pittsburgh. Anything can happen. If anyone predicted Loaiza being a Cy Young candidate earlier this year you along with everyone else would have told them they were full of s***. That's the thing about baseball, Paniagua could still be a dominating pitcher even after he had horrendous seasons with the two worst teams in baseball. You can assume all you want, however I think it couldn't hurt to give him a shot in AAA. That way if he sucks he can stay down there or we can release him, or if he's lights out we call him up in September. CWSOX45 There's a week left in the Charlotte season. Not enough time to evaluate this bum. If Loiasa stunk up the joint in spring training this year, he would be selling used cars. Pantiagua couldn't impress Tampa THIS spring, and was horrible in Detroit, when the fences were 4000 ft. from homeplate. I don't know why everyone is so fascinated with a guy who was last effective in 2000, and even then not that great. Sirotka was good in 2000, why don't the Sox go after him? St. Louis is so desparate for pitching the trade for Sterling Hitchcock, why don't they go after this guy? The fact that Paniagua hasn't signed yet indicates to me common sense has prevailed with White Sox management. Ginter, and Adkins are both better options than this guy I don't think anyone was fascinated with him. I just think that most thought it would be a good idea to take a look at the guy in a no lose situation. Why such hatred for a guy that was being discussed as possibly signing a minor league contract? Like I posted earlier, there is 1 week left in Charlotte's season. Hardly enough time to evaluate. If he had a bad arm last year when did it heal? It obviously didn't this spring because he couldn't make the D-Rays. Did it heal when he pitched a Veracruz this summer, his ERA was 9.45. I do not like to criticize, just there is a big difference between the Pan Am games and a major league pennant race. It is my opinion that he is no better than Ginter, or Rauch or Adkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 so because of this he is a bum? you can say he won't be ready, but to say he's a bum is wrong. and even if he won't be ready, isn't worth the try? what is wrong with signing him to a minor league deal? unless we for some reason are looking out for the better of the Knights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 so because of this he is a bum? you can say he won't be ready, but to say he's a bum is wrong. and even if he won't be ready, isn't worth the try? what is wrong with signing him to a minor league deal? unless we for some reason are looking out for the better of the Knights. He's a bum because Seattle didn't want him, Detroit released him, and he couldn't make Tampa this spring even though Tampa has no pitchers making above minimum salary. Jim Parque made Tampa Bay's staff. All that and his ERA was above 9.00 in the Mexican League. To sign him to a minor league contract and maybe get him in 2 games is not enough time to determine whether or not he is not a bum anymore. This is not Loiasa. Loiasa had to make the team. Remember Paniaqua's ERA was below 2 at AAA last year, so his performance there will give no indication of his major league performance. Signing him is a waste of money,if they must spend it, put on an extra fireworks show. I'm pretty sure, however, if he hasn't signed yet, he won't, at least until next spring. If they bring him to spring training and he makes the team fine, but he can't help this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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