Philosophical discussion...when a business isn't attracting custom

[Dick Allen]

Sox fans are whiners so what. How does that prevent the Sox from winning?

It cuts down on revenue. Most other teams would be doing a lot more business than the White Sox with the same track record in the same sized market. White sox fans find something wrong with everything, and then try to come across as a more sophisticated fan. It is a pretty simple thing. Go to a game and have fun. When everyone became a fan, the Sox didn't have a history of going to the playoffs every year and winning multiple championships. Now, all these criteria have to be met to get them to a game, and when those are met, they come up with more. People on this board are actually upset they are trying to win.

 

What they need to do is somehow attract new people, and let the whiners die off. You aren't going to make them happy anyway.

[caulfield12]

It cuts down on revenue. Most other teams would be doing a lot more business than the White Sox with the same track record in the same sized market. White sox fans find something wrong with everything, and then try to come across as a more sophisticated fan. It is a pretty simple thing. Go to a game and have fun. When everyone became a fan, the Sox didn't have a history of going to the playoffs every year and winning multiple championships. Now, all these criteria have to be met to get them to a game, and when those are met, they come up with more. People on this board are actually upset they are trying to win.

 

What they need to do is somehow attract new people, and let the whiners die off. You aren't going to make them happy anyway.

 

 

Yet somehow...."No Whiners!" or "Stop Complaining/Moaning" doesn't seem like the greatest marketing slogan, either.

 

There's no way of attracting fans without insulting our fanbase?

 

Because if we're waiting for the older fans to die out...why aren't we seeing increased attendance from that younger generation of fans in their 20's and 30's who have grown up with mostly KW teams and a World Series winner?

 

Aren't they also the ones who are complacent and hypercritical, whereas it's more the older fans in their 40's and 50's who have always tended to be more supportive/patient, as they'd already gone through decades of bad Sox baseball....namely, for most of the 60's, 70's and 80's?

Edited May 26, 2013 by caulfield12

[kitekrazy]

Yet somehow...."No Whiners!" or "Stop Complaining/Moaning" doesn't seem like the greatest marketing slogan, either.

 

There's no way of attracting fans without insulting our fanbase?

Because if we're waiting for the older fans to die out...why aren't we seeing increased attendance from that younger generation of fans in their 20's and 30's who have grown up with mostly KW teams and a World Series winner?

Aren't they also the ones who are complacent and hypercritical, whereas it's more the older fans in their 40's and 50's who have always tended to be more supportive/patient, as they'd already gone through decades of bad Sox baseball....namely, for most of the 60's, 70's and 80's?

 

They have done that to a point.

 

Fandom is often passed down to generations. Sportsvision and the strike are two black eyes to this organization. No back to back post seasons.

 

If it is the fans then move the team. It works as long as they never had an MBL team and eventually you will have to win there as well. Maybe they should move to Oklahoma.

 

[kitekrazy]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...54.story?page=1

 

It sounds too much like Phil Rodgers. Not one of Mark's best.

 

Camelback Ranch remains one of the best spring training facilities despite the fact home plate faces the sun and leaves fans scrambling for shade when temperatures exceed 75 degrees.

 

Engineering and architecture is far from brilliant in AZ.

My Spring training experiences have not been great. Went to the Peoria stadium in 50 degree weather. Seat were uncomfortable, my neck hurt for 2 days.

Camelback is very uncomfortable because someone decide to build the park facing the sun and offer little shade.

 

Chase Field....a different story.