LittleHurt05 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 23, 2013 -> 12:13 PM) MLB is littered with relievers who are one year wonders. If Nate Jones were anything more we would have see it before he was 26. He may have a 2-3 year run when he's 30, but do you want to keep him on the roster until then? Age 30 is three years from now. No one is advocating that he stay on the roster until then even if he keep struggling. But to just dump him at the first sign of adversity is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 23, 2013 -> 12:13 PM) MLB is littered with relievers who are one year wonders. If Nate Jones were anything more we would have see it before he was 26. He may have a 2-3 year run when he's 30, but do you want to keep him on the roster until then? What are you talking about? Nate was a pretty good pitcher in the minors from 2009 to 2011. Then he was pretty awesome for us last year. Just because he took a little longer to figure things out doesn't mean he never showed anything. He was drafted as a project. No one should have expected him to reach the majors before age 25/26. Not sure what your angle is here with the age factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 23, 2013 -> 08:48 AM) Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 23, 2013 -> 12:23 PM) What are you talking about? Nate was a pretty good pitcher in the minors from 2009 to 2011. Then he was pretty awesome for us last year. Just because he took a little longer to figure things out doesn't mean he never showed anything. He was drafted as a project. No one should have expected him to reach the majors before age 25/26. Not sure what your angle is here with the age factor. Marty just throws crap out there. Notice he goes days without posting when the Sox win. Matt Thornton was nothing until he came to the Sox. He was 29. Now he's the all time appearance leader in team history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 23, 2013 -> 12:27 PM) We all know what Steve is doing this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ May 23, 2013 -> 12:31 PM) We all know what Steve is doing this weekend. I should take Monday off of work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 23, 2013 -> 12:32 PM) I should take Monday off of work. LMAO. You don't already have Monday off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 23, 2013 -> 12:30 PM) Marty just throws crap out there. Notice he goes days without posting when the Sox win. Matt Thornton was nothing until he came to the Sox. He was 29. Now he's the all time appearance leader in team history. Would Marty implode if the Sox went on a tear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 RV has few tools to use there, I don't see criticizing him in that scenario. I have no problem with his decisions there. Bringing up Webb is crazy talk, he's pitched all of a handful of games above A ball. But you will get your wish soon. If Omo and/or Jones continue to struggle, they'll call up Troncoso or Heath. But I'm not sure either will be better than Omo at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ May 23, 2013 -> 12:17 PM) C'mon Marty...you're just throwing s*** against the wall at this point...the guy clearly has the stuff to be successful, he just needs to continue to refine it and make the appropriate mechanical tweaks. I don't think there are a whole lot of people here that are expert enough to determine when a young player who has succeeded before in this league is done or not. Jeesh, people within the game aren't even expert enough to make this determination much of the time. For all we know, Cooper could spot one thing in a side session and have most of this solved... I don't particularly like Nate Jones but maybe he can be a decent set up guy, but he sure isn't one now. Demote him and let him fix whatever it is, in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ May 23, 2013 -> 12:36 PM) LMAO. You don't already have Monday off? Oh s***. Didn't even think of that. My wife will be so annoyed when I do nothing but watch 15 episodes of Arrested Development on Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 23, 2013 -> 12:56 PM) Oh s***. Didn't even think of that. My wife will be so annoyed when I do nothing but watch 15 episodes of Arrested Development on Monday. That will be your 9-5 on Monday ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ May 23, 2013 -> 12:37 PM) Would Marty implode if the Sox went on a tear? Nah, but this board would talking about me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 People act like they never seen relief pitchers before. There's no such thing as a perfect pen. Pitchers give up runs . Our hitting is a way bigger problem than our pitching. Crain and Reed have been very very good. Not many bullpens in MLB can boast 2 relievers who have done what they have so far. They are like 2 of the top 12 WAR relievers right now. Can't have a revolving door in the bullpen and expect any consistency. Hell can't expect any kind of consistency in most pens. Hardly a year goes by that most teams have 2 or more new relief pitchers. Angels have gone through like 22 pitchers already this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 23, 2013 -> 12:58 PM) Nah, but this board would talking about me. Jesus, careful watch how hard you pat yourself on the back, you might break a hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Part of the problem this organization has is it waits too long to fix fixable problems. Demoting Jones is an example of that as well as continuing to play Flowers when Phegley is tearing up Triple A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 23, 2013 -> 02:58 PM) Jesus, careful watch how hard you pat yourself on the back, you might break a hand. He's just here to make the rest of us look good. That's his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 23, 2013 -> 02:58 PM) Jesus, careful watch how hard you pat yourself on the back, you might break a hand. A moderator on Soxtalk writing that is funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 23, 2013 -> 03:18 PM) Part of the problem this organization has is it waits too long to fix fixable problems. Demoting Jones is an example of that as well as continuing to play Flowers when Phegley is tearing up Triple A. #1, this is something Jones needs to work out in the majors. Everything is fine with him physically, there's no one in the minors who will perform better than he will, and he has had about 2-3 outings which have really, really skewed his stats to look terrible. I won't suggest he's pitched well, because he most certainly hasn't, but the 6.33 ERA is quite misleading, considering he has a FIP of 3.74 and an xFIP of 4.54. His numbers should look better than they are and there really is no better option to use in the minors. It's just a matter of throwing him and letting him work it out. #2, whether Phegley is the better option is up for debate, but the only argument you need for Phegley to stay down is service time. The most Phegley would add to the Sox at this point between the time he would not longer be Super 2 eligible is half a win. Half a win is absolutely worth the $5-10 million in additonal funds that Phegley would cost the Sox in the long run by simpy calling him up 3-4 weeks too early. On top of that, by letting him wait until no longer Super 2 eligible, you allow Flowers a little extra time to figure his swing out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 23, 2013 -> 03:23 PM) A moderator on Soxtalk writing that is funny. I don't suggest that the board would still be talking about me if I weren't on it as if I were a celebrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 23, 2013 -> 01:35 PM) I don't suggest that the board would still be talking about me if I weren't on it as if I were a celebrity. unless you were drunk-blogging the NFL draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 23, 2013 -> 03:33 PM) #1, this is something Jones needs to work out in the majors. Everything is fine with him physically, there's no one in the minors who will perform better than he will, and he has had about 2-3 outings which have really, really skewed his stats to look terrible. I won't suggest he's pitched well, because he most certainly hasn't, but the 6.33 ERA is quite misleading, considering he has a FIP of 3.74 and an xFIP of 4.54. His numbers should look better than they are and there really is no better option to use in the minors. It's just a matter of throwing him and letting him work it out. #2, whether Phegley is the better option is up for debate, but the only argument you need for Phegley to stay down is service time. The most Phegley would add to the Sox at this point between the time he would not longer be Super 2 eligible is half a win. Half a win is absolutely worth the $5-10 million in additonal funds that Phegley would cost the Sox in the long run by simpy calling him up 3-4 weeks too early. On top of that, by letting him wait until no longer Super 2 eligible, you allow Flowers a little extra time to figure his swing out. Worrying about service time for Josh Phegley is about as absurd as it gets. As far as Nate Jones goes, you can't hide a guy in your bullpen when it doesn't have a guy who can pitch multiple innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ May 23, 2013 -> 03:44 PM) unless you were drunk-blogging the NFL draft That was so awesome, I want to drunk-blog the draft every weekend. QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 23, 2013 -> 03:45 PM) Worrying about service time for Josh Phegley is about as absurd as it gets. As far as Nate Jones goes, you can't hide a guy in your bullpen when it doesn't have a guy who can pitch multiple innings. No, worrying about service time is not absurd, it's actually a fiscally responsible decision for a move that is, at best, going to improve the club's chances by 5%. And you are not hiding Jones, you let him work through it. He's had several very good outings this year as well as a few very bad outings. Guys struggle from time to time and banishing him to the minors when there are no superior options is not the answer to the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 23, 2013 -> 03:18 PM) Part of the problem this organization has is it waits too long to fix fixable problems. Demoting Jones is an example of that as well as continuing to play Flowers when Phegley is tearing up Triple A. For whom exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 23, 2013 -> 02:56 PM) For whom exactly? Doctor Impossible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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