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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ May 28, 2013 -> 06:27 PM)
I have been suggesting Gimenez get more playing time for a few weeks now and apparently you don't want Santiago or Jones in the bullpen . So you must expect the starters to go 9 innings every game or don''t care if the Sox lose games after the starters go 7 or 8 quality innings. Or you expect their miracle replacements to magically appear and make the pen better.

Well, we can replace them, so that's bad logic. Jones has an era of over 7 in the bullpen. I dont care if he is gone or not, but nearly any replacement would be better than him.

 

I am fine with Gimenez getting a lot more at bats, but he is a bad MLBer too. Probably better than Flowers though.

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QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:33 AM)
Well, we can replace them, so that's bad logic. Jones has an era of over 7 in the bullpen. I dont care if he is gone or not, but nearly any replacement would be better than him.

 

I am fine with Gimenez getting a lot more at bats, but he is a bad MLBer too. Probably better than Flowers though.

If you want the Sox to compete this year and I think you do since you want to try to ride a hot bat in Phegley then you must tell me who we should have in the pen. The bad logic is saying they can be replaced and still compete. But maybe I'm wrong and you think forget about competing this year and try for next year ?

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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ May 28, 2013 -> 12:34 PM)
What's that got to do with you finishing what you started ? You apparently have a lot of time to write. Go study other ML rosters and minor league systems and tell me who you want . I already know who you don't want.

 

Actually, I don't have a lot of time to write.

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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ May 28, 2013 -> 12:45 PM)
I guess not since you can point out the problems but not the solutions in any specific terms.

He doesn't know of any specific solutions or he would point them out. He actually asked me to be specific in another thread with a ROTF. He's just one of those dump everyone guys who actually gets a bigger kick out of the White Sox not winning than winning.

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How's this for a hypothetical situation:

 

- Flowers' miserable season continues, as he bats under .200 for the season and struggles mightily behind the plate

- Phegley puts up an OPS around 1 in AAA for the full season

 

Do the White Sox go into next year with a catching tandem of Phegley and Gimenez again, or does Phegley become the back-up and a starting catcher is acquired via trade or free agency? Something you really don't want to see happen is a repeat of what's happened so far this year behind the plate during next season with an inexperienced catcher being thrown into the starting spot with an inexperienced catcher at the back-up. Of course, if the Sox go into a full rebuilding mode, then who cares about how inexperienced they are.

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QUOTE (fathom @ May 28, 2013 -> 12:54 PM)
How's this for a hypothetical situation:

 

- Flowers' miserable season continues, as he bats under .200 for the season and struggles mightily behind the plate

- Phegley puts up an OPS around 1 in AAA for the full season

 

Do the White Sox go into next year with a catching tandem of Phegley and Gimenez again, or does Phegley become the back-up and a starting catcher is acquired via trade or free agency? Something you really don't want to see happen is a repeat of what's happened so far this year behind the plate during next season with an inexperienced catcher being thrown into the starting spot with an inexperienced catcher at the back-up. Of course, if the Sox go into a full rebuilding mode, then who cares about how inexperienced they are.

The funny thing is, Flowers is only 2 good games from meeting his offensive numbers last season while making more contact.

 

Personally, I think he is a back up, and not a bad one. I don't know what the scouts actually think of Phegley's chances of success, but if they are trying to win next year, starting a rookie who isn't a top 100 prospect probably isn't the way to go. If it were me making the decisions, I would think Phegley would be trade material. Flowers has shown he can be a good back up, and a catcher would have to be acquired.

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As for Nate Jones, I definitely feel like he has a future with this organization as a righty set-up man. With that said, he's really struggled so far this year and seems like he could use a stint in AAA to improve his mechanics and command. His role with this Sox this year has fluctuated, as he's really struggled going multiple innings. Put him in Charlotte and let him work as a closer and try to groom him to replace Crain. Troncoso is decent enough to pitch in the majors, as he's better than Heath is.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 28, 2013 -> 05:56 PM)
The funny thing is, Flowers is only 2 good games from meeting his offensive numbers last season while making more contact.

 

But his defense has been significantly worse, and I still worry about him being a complete liability when having to face the powerhouse Tigers rotation for probably 14-15 games.

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QUOTE (fathom @ May 28, 2013 -> 12:56 PM)
But his defense has been significantly worse, and I still worry about him being a complete liability when having to face the powerhouse Tigers rotation for probably 14-15 games.

Obviously. But I think everyone was fine with him as a back up. I don't know what happened defensively, my theory is he's not catching Peavy half his playing time, but he's been about as bad as his reputation when he was acquired. If he can get back to where he was defensively last year, he is a good back up who may go on a roll with power every now and then.

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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ May 28, 2013 -> 12:52 PM)
You know I am talking about your 1/2 job of the rebuild you are suggesting.

 

On Peavy and Rios if I am privy to the trade offers for them I will give my opinion. Otherwise, it serves no purpose to say well I'll take player A.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:48 AM)
He doesn't know of any specific solutions or he would point them out. He actually asked me to be specific in another thread with a ROTF. He's just one of those dump everyone guys who actually gets a bigger kick out of the White Sox not winning than winning.

I wanted to see the gist of what he's been suggesting for a while before I said anything to him but you're right .He lacks depth in anything he says. He just throws stuff out there like the Sox history of not bringing people up when its needed. Yet you never see examples of this apparent trend . When De Aza and Viciedo were tearing up AAA in 2010 or 11 maybe I even wrote KW a letter asking him to bring them up but as far as a history of it I'd ask for more than that covering a few decades unless a history means in KW's tenure , which we don't know because it's all generic blathering with nothing to support it.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 28, 2013 -> 06:02 PM)
Obviously. But I think everyone was fine with him as a back up. I don't know what happened defensively, my theory is he's not catching Peavy half his playing time, but he's been about as bad as his reputation when he was acquired. If he can get back to where he was defensively last year, he is a good back up who may go on a roll with power every now and then.

 

You know my belief that Flowers ceiling was as a platoon catcher due to his inability to hit RHP. Facing numerous tough RHP during a season (from which he was protected due to having AJ on the team) was almost guaranteed to lower what was already a mediocre batting average. If you put him on a team with someone like John Jaso, you have a good platoon situation. I don't think Phegley and Flowers would be a successful tandem. Like it or not, if you're going to want to be successful in the AL Central, you're going to have to have hitters that can be productive against tough righties like Verlander, Scherzer, Garcia, Masterson and Fister.

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QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 28, 2013 -> 11:04 AM)
On Peavy and Rios if I am privy to the trade offers for them I will give my opinion. Otherwise, it serves no purpose to say well I'll take player A.

The purpose it serves is to make your opinions worth reading otherwise I'm finished with your rebuild, tear down ,he sucks ,send him down , spend money ,I don't know who I want or even what kind of team I want posts.

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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ May 28, 2013 -> 01:13 PM)
The purpose it serves is to make your opinions worth reading otherwise I'm finished with your rebuild, tear down ,he sucks ,send him down , spend money ,I don't know who I want or even what kind of team I want posts.

 

I want the best deal possible in return for Peavy and Rios.

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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 28, 2013 -> 01:35 PM)
Careful, you don't want to go too far out on that limb.

He's set up for his Monday morning QB gig. If they trade them and it works out, he told you so. If they trade them and it doesn't work out, the Sox screwed up. There were better packages to be had. Ask him what they were, either crickets or "not my job".

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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 28, 2013 -> 01:35 PM)
Careful, you don't want to go too far out on that limb.

 

Really, it's preposterous to say well player A and player B is who I want back when no one is privy to the offers. Point is in wanting them traded is that their value will never be higher.

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