Chicago White Sox Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I think Granderson would make sense as a potential Dunn replacement IF he'll give us a hometown discount and take a short-term contract. Something along the lines of two years, $18 million. Have him DH half the time and hopefully that would reduce some of the wear and tear. Obviously this is all dependent on him finishing this season healthy and productive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 31, 2013 -> 01:31 AM) http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-leag...-201614409.html PROS 1) Would give us a more recognizable name for marketing 2) Could shift DeAza to LF and Viciedo to 1B/DH 3) LH power (to supplement Dunn's failings)....short porch in RF, similar to Yankee Stadium 4) Great human interest story/local ties 5) Experienced player who knows how to win 6) Phil Rogers would go nuts writing articles about him CONS 1) If the White Sox are more than a couple of bats away from competing, it could be a waste of money and block Trayce Thompson when he's ready (although Granderson could also DH when Dunn leaves) 2) Precious resources in off-season need to be spent carefully...other areas will be important, perhaps catcher or the bullpen 3) Granderson's age 4) Inability to hit LH pitching 5) Expectations might be too high playing so close to home.... 6) Granderson's a "name"/well-known player, but not a superstar and won't draw too many fans of his own without a winning team How is this not under cons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 31, 2013 -> 01:09 PM) I hope they never go into a full rebuild, and everyone that wants that probably will hate it. Just for fun I went back to my 2010 Baseball Prospectus and took a look at their top 100 prospects. They listed 101 that year. Strasburg was #1, Mike Trout #52. If you traded your entire organization for those 101 players, while you would have a couple of studs, I don't think you have a playoff team. Considering the state of the Sox farm system, getting rid of productive players for prospects will probably mean at least 6 years of being really bad. Why can't this year be the rock bottom year in a successful rebuild that includes dealing guys like Peavy and Rios? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 31, 2013 -> 09:42 PM) Why can't this year be the rock bottom year in a successful rebuild that includes dealing guys like Peavy and Rios? lol. That would be the years of taking lumps while the guys you got for them sucked at the major league level until they maybe figured it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 31, 2013 -> 09:45 PM) lol. That would be the years of taking lumps while the guys you got for them sucked at the major league level until they maybe figured it out. You think it's hard to replace Konerko or Flowers production this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 31, 2013 -> 09:50 PM) You think it's hard to replace Konerko or Flowers production this year? ROFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 31, 2013 -> 09:51 PM) ROFL Quit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 31, 2013 -> 09:42 PM) Why can't this year be the rock bottom year in a successful rebuild that includes dealing guys like Peavy and Rios? QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 31, 2013 -> 09:50 PM) You think it's hard to replace Konerko or Flowers production this year? Quit it yourself. As in, stop moving the goalposts to create another garbage argument that you will just duck out of when someone asks you a tough question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 31, 2013 -> 09:42 PM) Why can't this year be the rock bottom year in a successful rebuild that includes dealing guys like Peavy and Rios? I kinda agree with you here dude. If we lose the majority of games in June and we are out of it I think everybody would support some degree of tinkering. This should be the rock bottom. We have way too many good pieces to do a rebuild. I think we need two good impact bats. If trading Peavy gets you one and some Aball pitchers I'm probably in, but Rios is exactly what we need more of so I don't really advocate that move. He's right in his prime, no? But yea, I can totally see this being the bottom and we are still pretty good. Having to trot Dunn out there next year would probably extend the bottom though. How do we get around that one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ May 31, 2013 -> 09:31 PM) I kinda agree with you here dude. If we lose the majority of games in June and we are out of it I think everybody would support some degree of tinkering. This should be the rock bottom. We have way too many good pieces to do a rebuild. I think we need two good impact bats. If trading Peavy gets you one and some Aball pitchers I'm probably in, but Rios is exactly what we need more of so I don't really advocate that move. He's right in his prime, no? But yea, I can totally see this being the bottom and we are still pretty good. Having to trot Dunn out there next year would probably extend the bottom though. How do we get around that one? Marty wants to trade Ramirez, Peavy, Crain, Thornton, Lindstrom, Rios, (Danks if he could)...that's not not tinkering. Maybe even Addison Reed, going by the theory that bad or mediocre teams don't need great closers or to sink a lot of money into a veteran there. By the time Reed was able to pitch in truly significantly games, he would be getting expensive, too. It's pushing us back until 2015 (more likely 2016) before we could even hope to contend again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 31, 2013 -> 09:59 PM) Quit it yourself. As in, stop moving the goalposts to create another garbage argument that you will just duck out of when someone asks you a tough question. The tough question is can you go through a rebuild and put together an offense that is worse than 29th in MLB in runs scored while playing the softest schedule so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 1, 2013 -> 09:12 AM) The tough question is can you go through a rebuild and put together an offense that is worse than 29th in MLB in runs scored while playing the softest schedule so far. I figured you were exaggerating, but I looked it up and the Sox have actually played the easiest schedule in the majors so far. I had no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 FWIW, my co-worker was Granderson's college roommate. I always ask him about the Sox possibility. He would go to the White Sox for less money if only bad teams in s***ty markets were offering him deals. I think his preference is to stay in NY though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 1, 2013 -> 11:12 AM) FWIW, my co-worker was Granderson's college roommate. I always ask him about the Sox possibility. He would go to the White Sox for less money if only bad teams in s***ty markets were offering him deals. I think his preference is to stay in NY though. The Yankees have supposedly been trying to clear enough salary to get under the luxury tax threshold next season. They only have about $120 million committed, but that's with no Cano and and a whole lot of their starting rotation not under contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShandyMan Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Assuming we are going in that direction, I'd go 2/22. Konerko retires and we move Viciedo to 1B/DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (staxx @ Jun 1, 2013 -> 10:26 AM) Assuming we are going in that direction, I'd go 2/22. Konerko retires and we move Viciedo to 1B/DH. Viciedo doesn't hit well enough to play 1B/DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 31, 2013 -> 08:42 PM) Why can't this year be the rock bottom year in a successful rebuild that includes dealing guys like Peavy and Rios? There is no evidence that they are capable of this. They draft poorly and I doubt the development is great either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 31, 2013 -> 12:13 PM) I absolutely would. Eventually teams that finish 2nd or 3rd get lucky and hit the wild card. They've been doing that. They don't get lucky. This is part of the attendance problem. Competitive usually run hand in hand with mediocre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 1, 2013 -> 11:47 AM) They've been doing that. They don't get lucky. This is part of the attendance problem. Competitive usually run hand in hand with mediocre. They've been competitive for 3 of the past 5 seasons (not counting this one) and out of those 3 competitive years, they made the playoffs and won the division once. 1 out of 3 times making the playoffs when competitive isn't bad. It's the 2 79-win seasons that make it a lot worse. One of them I could excuse for injuries, but we might be looking at our 3rd this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 1, 2013 -> 10:43 AM) There is no evidence that they are capable of this. They draft poorly and I doubt the development is great either. That's why they have to deal for players other teams drafted and developed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 1, 2013 -> 11:17 AM) That's why they have to deal for players other teams drafted and developed. Long term no, but for next year? Yea. Let's go pickin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 1, 2013 -> 09:31 AM) Viciedo doesn't hit well enough to play 1B/DH. Where were you with that opinion a week ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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