Make a crazy trade idea

[The Ultimate Champion]

I like the Colvin idea a lot. He sounds like he could come pretty cheaply via trade & he'd allow the Sox to jettison an extra OF, and some PT could come at Dunn's expense. Excellent idea. Dump Wells (he's still on the team right?) for his roster spot, give him Dunn's PA, and if he does well then you can release Dweezy so he has a shot at being a backup on a contender (because we wouldn't need him anyway) which would then open up another spot for a pitcher.... because bad teams need lots of spots available for extra pitchers.

 

Okay, so who do we have to trade to bring Colvin in here? What do the Rockies need? Thornton straight up with the salary eaten, would that work?

[The Ultimate Champion]

Also no one has responded re: my awesome Arrieta deal. We need him IMO, or someone like him, as a RHSP Coop project. BattleAxe has been great, but in a 3 lefty rotation you need 2 really good righties, 1 of whom needs to be a #4, and I want my second righty to have a ceiling higher than a #5. So no hard feelings, but now is the time to audition someone with a big arm who can be had for little. Coop is a genius & a miracle worker for talented players in need of a change in scenery. And who else would be out there in a similar mold?

[The Ultimate Champion]

It's 930 am people where the f*** are you guys? Still hung over? GTFO of bed & start posting in this thread, I have more trade ideas in my head brewing that I am going to need to discuss with you people. ANd yes I just said you people.

[caulfield12]

Also no one has responded re: my awesome Arrieta deal. We need him IMO, or someone like him, as a RHSP Coop project. BattleAxe has been great, but in a 3 lefty rotation you need 2 really good righties, 1 of whom needs to be a #4, and I want my second righty to have a ceiling higher than a #5. So no hard feelings, but now is the time to audition someone with a big arm who can be had for little. Coop is a genius & a miracle worker for talented players in need of a change in scenery. And who else would be out there in a similar mold?

 

 

http://baltimoresportsreport.com/whats-the...jake-28101.html

 

 

There's no reason you need to do the Arrieta trade right now...

 

It's still going to be there a month from now. Of course, the counter-argument is that Axelrod will never have higher value...that's he due for a regression.

 

We're STILL only 4 behind the Indians and 4 1/2 behind the Tigers. As long as the the margin is less than 8-9-10 games, you're not going to see any "building for the future" moves yet out of the front office.

 

At the end of June, things will be a lot clearer.

 

 

[Y2Jimmy0]

I like the Colvin idea a lot. He sounds like he could come pretty cheaply via trade & he'd allow the Sox to jettison an extra OF, and some PT could come at Dunn's expense. Excellent idea. Dump Wells (he's still on the team right?) for his roster spot, give him Dunn's PA, and if he does well then you can release Dweezy so he has a shot at being a backup on a contender (because we wouldn't need him anyway) which would then open up another spot for a pitcher.... because bad teams need lots of spots available for extra pitchers.

 

Okay, so who do we have to trade to bring Colvin in here? What do the Rockies need? Thornton straight up with the salary eaten, would that work?

 

 

Is Colvin still essentially a platoon player that can't play vs RHP though? Maybe he has been better. I just didn't know. I know the Cubs new brass traded him almost immediately but he didn't fit the profile of the high .obp type guy that they are interested in.

[caulfield12]

http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/2013/06/01/s...icult-decision/

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/31/3425...-jurickson.html

Talks about how the Chris Davis/Hunter trade for Koji Uehara backfired but was done with the right intentions

 

 

Peavy, Konerko + Crain for Jurickson Profar + another prospect from the Rangers

 

 

Trade to be made ONLY if the White Sox are 8-9-10 games out in July.

[Balta1701]

http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/2013/06/01/s...icult-decision/

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/31/3425...-jurickson.html

Talks about how the Chris Davis/Hunter trade for Koji Uehara backfired but was done with the right intentions

 

 

Peavy, Konerko + Crain for Jurickson Profar + another prospect from the Rangers

 

 

Trade to be made ONLY if the White Sox are 8-9-10 games out in July.

Why would the Rangers want to give up a top prospect, plus an additional prospect, for a good reliever and an expensive veteran who would reduce the OPS they're getting from 1b by 200 points or DH by 100 points?

 

I don't think I'd pay that much for a downgrade.

[The Ultimate Champion]

http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/2013/06/01/s...icult-decision/

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/31/3425...-jurickson.html

Talks about how the Chris Davis/Hunter trade for Koji Uehara backfired but was done with the right intentions

 

 

Peavy, Konerko + Crain for Jurickson Profar + another prospect from the Rangers

 

 

Trade to be made ONLY if the White Sox are 8-9-10 games out in July.

That first deal is the kind of deal we should be targeting, not so much the second. The second deal you do if you really think Profar is a star, but the first deal is a scouting type where you do your homework on a couple players, make some changes, and suddenly two busts/fringe pieces/etc. become key players for your team.

 

I think Crain could net us something nice if we do our homework.

 

Also I don't know why we need to wait until July. We suck now, why wait around for some false hope? Why should we be so confident in this team & so afraid to build around some of these young guys? Crazy. Make the moves, Hahn. Turn off the XBox, open this thread, get some good ideas from us SoxTalkers who are equally qualified to make trades, and get on the phone.

[Marty34]

That first deal is the kind of deal we should be targeting, not so much the second. The second deal you do if you really think Profar is a star, but the first deal is a scouting type where you do your homework on a couple players, make some changes, and suddenly two busts/fringe pieces/etc. become key players for your team.

 

I think Crain could net us something nice if we do our homework.

Also I don't know why we need to wait until July. We suck now, why wait around for some false hope? Why should we be so confident in this team & so afraid to build around some of these young guys? Crazy. Make the moves, Hahn. Turn off the XBox, open this thread, get some good ideas from us SoxTalkers who are equally qualified to make trades, and get on the phone.

 

The sooner the better as his usage so far must have him running on fumes already.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/2013/06/01/s...icult-decision/

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/31/3425...-jurickson.html

Talks about how the Chris Davis/Hunter trade for Koji Uehara backfired but was done with the right intentions

 

 

Peavy, Konerko + Crain for Jurickson Profar + another prospect from the Rangers

 

 

Trade to be made ONLY if the White Sox are 8-9-10 games out in July.

I must've posted in invisible ink :

 

CaliSoxFanViaSWs...

 

post Yesterday, 02:57 PM

 

Peavy and Rios to the Rangers for Jurickson Profar and Leonys Martin.

 

[caulfield12]

Why would the Rangers want to give up a top prospect, plus an additional prospect, for a good reliever and an expensive veteran who would reduce the OPS they're getting from 1b by 200 points or DH by 100 points?

 

I don't think I'd pay that much for a downgrade.

 

Why would the White Sox try to compete, then, if the numbers that Dunn and Konerko have so far are posted in permanent ink?

[caulfield12]

I must've posted in invisible ink :

 

CaliSoxFanViaSWs...

 

post Yesterday, 02:57 PM

 

Peavy and Rios to the Rangers for Jurickson Profar and Leonys Martin.

 

The White Sox can't compete in 2014 without Rios.

 

They can, however, manage without Peavy much easier...and, they can sign a pitcher in the off-season, if necessary.

 

Would still have a rotation of Sale/Quintana/Danks/Axelrod/Santiago/Johnson. 6 deep.

 

[caulfield12]

Matt Cain for who/m?

 

Haha. Coop can fix him.

 

 

[Balta1701]

Why would the White Sox try to compete, then, if the numbers that Dunn and Konerko have so far are posted in permanent ink?

That's a big part of the reason we're a mess right now, those 2 not hitting. The fact that they are a mess also makes moving them difficult to impossible again, so why the Rangers would take either of them on I have zero idea.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

The White Sox can't compete in 2014 without Rios.

 

They can, however, manage without Peavy much easier...and, they can sign a pitcher in the off-season, if necessary.

 

Would still have a rotation of Sale/Quintana/Danks/Axelrod/Santiago/Johnson. 6 deep.

Sure they can. Martin is younger and maybe just as good as Rios, way cheaper too. Plus there might be more moves after this since Alexei or Beckham or both could be moved if you have Profar.

Edited June 1, 2013 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[caulfield12]

Sure they can. Martin is younger and maybe just as good as Rios, way cheaper too. Plus there might be more moves after this since Alexei or Beckham or both could be moved if you have Profar.

 

 

You do realize Alex Rios is as close as we have to a franchise player right now in our line-up?

 

Either him or Viciedo, for the time being.

 

Will agree about the way cheaper, but "maybe just as good," there's not much clear evidence yet of that.

 

 

Now I wouldn't mind Martin in CF, moving DeAza (or acquiring someone else) to LF...if we're to be stuck with DeAza.

 

Beckham doesn't have any value right now to a contending team...unless there's one that has an abundance of hitting that needs a defense-first 8th or 9th place hitter.

Edited June 1, 2013 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

That's a big part of the reason we're a mess right now, those 2 not hitting. The fact that they are a mess also makes moving them difficult to impossible again, so why the Rangers would take either of them on I have zero idea.

 

 

If you, who are one of the more optimistic fans out there, are posting something like this...there's no reason to believe the average White Sox fan is going to buy that this team is a playoff contender from here on out.

 

Which means adding players for anything more than setting up 2014 makes little to no sense, and will only end up blocking players we need to see full-time for the remainder of the season.

 

 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

You do realize Alex Rios is as close as we have to a franchise player right now in our line-up?

 

Either him or Viciedo, for the time being.

 

Will agree about the way cheaper, but "maybe just as good," there's not much clear evidence yet of that.

That's why you make the trade. Lot's of salary gone. Still have decent starting pitching. You let PK retire and that's more salary gone + the extra TV money. Martin has played a lot for the Rangers this year and has been pretty good and has a lot of skills. I doubt the Rangers would even consider giving up 2 of their top 3 prospects for so much salary , but you never know since they are hungry for a championship and Peavy and Rios could give that to them. We get younger cheaper and have lots of room to make more moves. Frankly ,I think it's a steal for the Sox and the Rangers would never consider it.

[caulfield12]

That's why you make the trade. Lot's of salary gone. Still have decent starting pitching. You let PK retire and that's more salary gone + the extra TV money. Martin has played a lot for the Rangers this year and has been pretty good and has a lot of skills. I doubt the Rangers would even consider giving up 2 of their top 3 prospects for so much salary , but you never know since they are hungry for a championship and Peavy and Rios could give that to them. We get younger cheaper and have lots of room to make more moves. Frankly ,I think it's a steal for the Sox and the Rangers would never consider it.

 

 

Where's Rios going to play?

 

From everything you read, they'll move Kinsler to the outfield to keep his bat in the line-up unless they to find the right trading partner for Profar.

 

Cruz is their regular RFer and you don't want to play Rios in CF again if you're the Rangers.

 

They've got Murphy in LF.

 

[Balta1701]

If you, who are one of the more optimistic fans out there, are posting something like this...there's no reason to believe the average White Sox fan is going to buy that this team is a playoff contender from here on out.

 

Which means adding players for anything more than setting up 2014 makes little to no sense, and will only end up blocking players we need to see full-time for the remainder of the season.

You're missing the point.

 

Tell me why a team in contention would want Paul Konerko right now? Tell me one good reason why the Rangers would have any interest in him?

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Where's Rios going to play?

 

From everything you read, they'll move Kinsler to the outfield to keep his bat in the line-up unless they to find the right trading partner for Profar.

 

Cruz is their regular RFer and you don't want to play Rios in CF again if you're the Rangers.

 

They've got Murphy in LF.

It's not like Rios can't play CF adequately or left for that matter probably better than Kinsler or Murphy out there . Kinsler would move back to 2nd base. Cruz is a couple years older than Rios and his days in the outfield are numbered.

[Balta1701]

It's not like Rios can't play CF adequately or left for that matter probably better than Kinsler or Murphy out there . Kinsler would move back to 2nd base. Cruz is a couple years older than Rios and his days in the outfield are numbered.

If 2011 is any guide...no, Rios cannot play CF adequately any more.

[The Ultimate Champion]

If 2011 is any guide...no, Rios cannot play CF adequately any more.

I think Rios could play CF well with his head in the game. When his head isn't in the game he can't do anything. That said, he's talked of being more comfortable in RF than CF so since he's so mentally fragile we'll just keep him in RF, and if we trade him to Texas for a bunch of prospects (how close is this deal from happening?) then they can experiment for themselves, and if he gets thrown off and becomes a .208 hitting lazy butcher then so what, we already made the deal, enjoy the contract you guys.

[caulfield12]

I think Rios could play CF well with his head in the game. When his head isn't in the game he can't do anything. That said, he's talked of being more comfortable in RF than CF so since he's so mentally fragile we'll just keep him in RF, and if we trade him to Texas for a bunch of prospects (how close is this deal from happening?) then they can experiment for themselves, and if he gets thrown off and becomes a .208 hitting lazy butcher then so what, we already made the deal, enjoy the contract you guys.

 

 

Except if WE on a message board have already known this for quite some time, every scout/GM/front office in baseball does too.

 

 

[caulfield12]

I think Rios could play CF well with his head in the game. When his head isn't in the game he can't do anything. That said, he's talked of being more comfortable in RF than CF so since he's so mentally fragile we'll just keep him in RF, and if we trade him to Texas for a bunch of prospects (how close is this deal from happening?) then they can experiment for themselves, and if he gets thrown off and becomes a .208 hitting lazy butcher then so what, we already made the deal, enjoy the contract you guys.

 

 

Except if WE on a message board have already known this for quite some time, every scout/GM/front office in baseball does too.