Eminor3rd Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Huge arm, huge control issues. Seems like we could use a bullpen flyer though, what with all this Ramon Troncoso garbage I keep reading. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Depends on what his control issues actually are. If it is something mechanical, I am all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 We've got the roster spots now. Does Coop post here? Can someone ask him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 10:43 PM) We've got the roster spots now. Does Coop post here? Can someone ask him? The big issue is that the Cubs are claiming so many people these days, and I'd be surprised if they don't go after Rodriguez especially after Hoyer talked today about wanting guys who throw hard. If he gets to the Sox, I'd be all for giving Rodriguez a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 4, 2013 Author Share Posted June 4, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 05:13 PM) The big issue is that the Cubs are claiming so many people these days, and I'd be surprised if they don't go after Rodriguez especially after Hoyer talked today about wanting guys who throw hard. If he gets to the Sox, I'd be all for giving Rodriguez a shot. This is true, the Cubs pen is in absolute shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 05:14 PM) This is true, the Cubs pen is in absolute shambles. Do bad MLB bullpens normally go after other failed MLB relief pitchers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Oh Henry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 10:53 PM) Do bad MLB bullpens normally go after other failed MLB relief pitchers? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 It is funny a board who hates Matt Thornton would want this guy. He allows way more runners and runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 06:09 PM) It is funny a board who hates Matt Thornton would want this guy. He allows way more runners and runs. He is a righthander, so it isn't like anyone is clamoring for him to replace Thornton. He is considerably younger and cheaper, and throws very hard. If coop thought he could work with him and get a flaw fixed, I certainly wouldn't mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 06:14 PM) He is a righthander, so it isn't like anyone is clamoring for him to replace Thornton. He is considerably younger and cheaper, and throws very hard. If coop thought he could work with him and get a flaw fixed, I certainly wouldn't mind. Its more reason not to like him. In a world where everyone is looking for bullpen help, getting DFA,d is pretty telling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 06:16 PM) Its more reason not to like him. In a world where everyone is looking for bullpen help, getting DFA,d is pretty telling. Ok DA, as always you are always grumpy. I mean right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 06:18 PM) Ok DA, as always you are always grumpy. I mean right. Its just a double standard. Nate Jones supposedly doesn't belong in the majors. If he were a Brewer and was DFAd, there would be threads wanting to pick him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 06:23 PM) Its just a double standard. Nate Jones supposedly doesn't belong in the majors. If he were a Brewer and was DFAd, there would be threads wanting to pick him up. What double standard? All you do is b**** and moan about what the board wants. You act like there is a poll above this thread with 99 percent of the board voting they want him against your 1 percent. It was just someone saying that a power arm is available. You don't want him. Fine. Point made. Move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy esposito Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 06:27 PM) What double standard? All you do is b**** and moan about what the board wants. You act like there is a poll above this thread with 99 percent of the board voting they want him against your 1 percent. It was just someone saying that a power arm is available. You don't want him. Fine. Point made. Move on. It's called frustration "Do something even if it is wrong." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy esposito Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 06:27 PM) What double standard? All you do is b**** and moan about what the board wants. You act like there is a poll above this thread with 99 percent of the board voting they want him against your 1 percent. It was just someone saying that a power arm is available. You don't want him. Fine. Point made. Move on. It's called frustration "Do something even if it is wrong." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 QUOTE (sammy esposito @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 06:36 PM) It's called frustration "Do something even if it is wrong." I could care less if he wants or doesn't want HR. it's the complaining about the board, it is unnecessary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 06:38 PM) I could care less if he wants or doesn't want HR. it's the complaining about the board, it is unnecessary What has he shown performance wise that is any better than the guys the Sox currently have who all work with Cooper everyday who get beatdown all the time? Iam sticking up for guys like Thornton and Jones. The are just as good or better than Rodriquez. This guy couldn't throw a strike before elbow surgery, and Flowers catching him would make Tyler and the M & Ms guy sick of each others company in a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 06:14 PM) He is a righthander, so it isn't like anyone is clamoring for him to replace Thornton. He is considerably younger and cheaper, and throws very hard. If coop thought he could work with him and get a flaw fixed, I certainly wouldn't mind. Not to mention he wouldn't be replacing Thornton or Jones. He would replace Omogrosso. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 There's 5000 examples of waived/released/DFA'ed bullpen arms that have turned up and done well elsewhere. Essentially, Thornton was waived, because he wasn't worth anything to the M's anymore. Jenks, Aardsma, Sergio Santos...heck, look at Neal Cotts this year with the Rangers. Bartolo Colon has been available numerous times to other teams. And, most especially, Jason Grilli. Those are just ex-Sox guys. Now nobody's saying that we should have kept Grilli stowed on our roster from 2004 through 2012 waiting for him to break out in 2013...but making a comparison to Matt Thornton, who is paid like a quasi-closer (same with Crain) is nebulous at best. We need TALENT, pure and simple, wherever it comes from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 06:48 PM) What has he shown performance wise that is any better than the guys the Sox currently have who all work with Cooper everyday who get beatdown all the time? Iam sticking up for guys like Thornton and Jones. The are just as good or better than Rodriquez. This guy couldn't throw a strike before elbow surgery, and Flowers catching him would make Tyler and the M & Ms guy sick of each others company in a few weeks. Again, where is anyone in this thread saying "drop Thornton and/or jones and pick this guy up!"? You obviously don't like him because he has control issues. That is fair, I understand that. But you are creating an imaginary argument and defending guys that aren't being attacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 It's simple. Thornton is an overpaid asset leaking value over the last 2-3 seasons...especially since the closer's experiment failed and his fastball started losing velocity by 2-3 MPH. I don't even come close to hating him. I don't think Santiago should take his spot, because Santiago is better off as a starter. It's simply that we cannot afford to invest that kind of money in the bullpen until we're ready to make another playoff run...history has shown that bullpens are the easiest areas to fix in the short-term (look at how many rookies we used in 2012, none highly regarded except for Addison Reed). Going back to the example of the Rays organization. They only really made one single mistake in that 2007-2008 time frame, and it was paying Percival $8 million as a free agent to close out games. Eventually, Balfour took his place. And, of course, 2005, when nobody expected MUCH out of Takatsu (one trick pony with the frisbee/gong), Hermanson or Jenks coming into the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Over their careers, Rodriquez's WHIP in .068 lower than Omogrosso's. as bad as Omogrosso has been, that is only 3.4 more runners he allows in 50 innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 06:57 PM) Again, where is anyone in this thread saying "drop Thornton and/or jones and pick this guy up!"? You obviously don't like him because he has control issues. That is fair, I understand that. But you are creating an imaginary argument and defending guys that aren't being attacked Who would you drop? He really is no better than Omogrosso. Edited June 5, 2013 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 07:08 PM) Who would you drop? He really is no better than Omogrosso. He is a lot better than Omogrosso. I am not a fan of Omogrosso at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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