White Sox draft day one thread

[PorkChopExpress]

Mayo's last mock has White Sox taking HS 1B Dominic Smith and Keith Law has them taking Jacksonville RHP Chris Anderson.

 

Not that I know anything about this stuff, but just looking through the "Top 100" on mlb.com, this is the guy that I was hoping they'd get.

[southsider2k5]

The thing is if he's fixable, he's a near lock for top 5 next year, so there's no way he's going to sign as low as #17. Slot value there is $2.1m, slot value at #1 is $7.7m. He's going back to school.

 

Two things would have to happen. They would have to get a number ahead of time that they could manage, while at the same time, finding some underslot guys for the next rounds to make up the difference.

[Baron]

Baseball Prospectus' final mock has Sox taking Gonzalez also. I would be shocked if the pick isn't one of:

 

- A. Gonzalez

- C. Anderson

- JP Crawford

- T. Anderson

 

Yeah I had us selecting Gonzalez....only a few more hours

[Y2Jimmy0]

Right. You'd basically have to take a second round type guy in the first to afford a first round type in the second. Hard to game this system.

 

 

Jake, it can be done though. Look at Houston last year. They took a lesser player at #1 in Carlos Correa. However, Correa is still a nice talent. Then they double dipped and took HS pitcher Lance McCullers who many thought would not sign. They could have taken Appel at #1. I would have taken Byron Buxton. But I understand what they did.

[Jake]

Jake, it can be done though. Look at Houston last year. They took a lesser player at #1 in Carlos Correa. However, Correa is still a nice talent. Then they double dipped and took HS pitcher Lance McCullers who many thought would not sign. They could have taken Appel at #1. I would have taken Byron Buxton. But I understand what they did.

 

It's a little different at the top of the draft, though. He signed for 4.8 million, which is a ton of money. That left them with 3 extra million! The slot value drops down to 3.5 million by the time you get to the 5th selection, already. Correa still got top 3 money, which is all he could have hoped for and the Astros got a ton of extra cash.

 

For a team like the Sox in the mid-round or later, the bonus is only shrinking around 50-100K per selection, around 2 million dollars and shrinking. Hard to make space when you're that strapped for cash and a significant discount basically puts the draftee a round lower, rather than just a couple picks like Correa.

[Y2Jimmy0]

It's a little different at the top of the draft, though. He signed for 4.8 million, which is a ton of money. That left them with 3 extra million! The slot value drops down to 3.5 million by the time you get to the 5th selection, already. Correa still got top 3 money, which is all he could have hoped for and the Astros got a ton of extra cash.

 

For a team like the Sox in the mid-round or later, the bonus is only shrinking around 50-100K per selection, around 2 million dollars and shrinking. Hard to make space when you're that strapped for cash and a significant discount basically puts the draftee a round lower, rather than just a couple picks like Correa.

 

 

I understand what you are saying. I took your point the wrong way. Do you think Houston could "double dip" again though with talent and just roll the dice and take Gray/Appel and Manaea?

[witesoxfan]

the intangibles is, Boras

 

Holy cow is this a blast from the past

Edited June 6, 2013 by witesoxfan

[Y2Jimmy0]

Man it is very very unlikely but Dominic Smith at #17 would be the best case scenario tonight. I didn't think the Sox had a chance at Hawkins last year and they got him though. I will keep my fingers crossed.

[Y2Jimmy0]

Next years draft class is suppose to be better. With that being said would it be crazy if a team in the mid-late first round drafted Manaea or Bickford and did not sign them. Theoretically, (although you can't be sure the 2014 draft class shapes up exactly as it stands now) the 20th pick next year should be more valuable next year than this year. I picked 20 as just a random number but you catch my drift.

 

To put in other words, hypothetically speaking, say the 2013 draft class was superior to the 2012 class. Say the Pirates take Appel, knowing they cannot sign him, just to have two picks in 2013, the better draft class.

 

Would the new regulations come into play in such a scenario?

 

 

Doesn't your bonus pool go down for the current year though? Otherwise, many teams would do this. They would draft someone in the 1st round that is unsignable and then draft tough signs in round 2-5. I think you lose the bonus money for not signing your 1st pick. Last year, the Pirates only had the slotted $3.8 million available to offer Mark Appel. Once Mark Appel did not sign they were not able to recoup that money somehow. Now they do have extra money this year with 2 first rounders though.

[Y2Jimmy0]

With you on that one. I have kind of given up on Peterson falling but you never know.

 

 

Peterson scares me though kind of. 6'0 1B that does not have a ton of power.... You like him?

[Chicago White Sox]

Next years draft class is supposed to be better. With that being said, would it be absurd if a team in the mid-late first round drafted Manaea or Bickford and did not sign them?Theoretically, (although you can't be sure the 2014 draft class shapes up exactly as it stands now) the 20th pick next year should be more valuable next year than this year. I picked 20 as just a random number but you catch my drift.

 

To put it in other words, hypothetically speaking, say the 2013 draft class was superior to the 2012 class. Say the Pirates take Appel, knowing they cannot sign him, just to have two picks in 2013, the better draft class.

 

Would the new regulations come into play in such a scenario?

The old rule was if you failed to sign your pick, you were awarded the pick one spot lower in next year's draft, but if you failed to sign that player then you were left empty-handed. So you would have to avoid guys with signability concerns and would basically be giving the player and his agent a lot of leverage.

 

I'm guessing this same rule applies but I'm not certain.

[witesoxfan]

At #17 he would be an awesome value pick. Probably the best mix of power and batting average in the draft from any college player. Smooth easy swing for a RH and no real flaws in approach. I would even go as far as saying his swing is almost a finished product. While I have seen him listed at 6' 1" as opposed to 6' his size doesn't really matter to me. Defense is probably an issue but I like the bat/swing enough. I always get ripped for how much I weigh into character but this kid has a motor. He plays the game hard and from what I've read is very advanced in making adjustments.

 

I don't have any idea on baseball draft stuff, but what sort of build is he? Height matters a lot less to me so long as they have a body that they can develop power and sustain growth. Allen Craig is a beast and even though he's 6'2, he plays about like he's 5'10.

[Jake]

I'm on the Dominic Smith bandwagon if we are to take a position player. I might like him more than any pitcher around at 17, too.

 

Two things would have to happen. They would have to get a number ahead of time that they could manage, while at the same time, finding some underslot guys for the next rounds to make up the difference.

 

Right. Definitely takes homework, you cannot pick this guy without a lot of chatting in advance.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Man it is very very unlikely but Dominic Smith at #17 would be the best case scenario tonight. I didn't think the Sox had a chance at Hawkins last year and they got him though. I will keep my fingers crossed.

I think it could happen . He isn't projected to go too much before the Sox pick and I've seen him slotted much lower also .

[southsider2k5]

Chuck Garfien ‏@ChuckGarfien 24m

 

Addison Reed says he feels great and told the White Sox he could pitch tonight. He won't. Mark Parent: "That's not going to happen."

[southsider2k5]

 

Mark Gonzales Mark Gonzales ‏@MDGonzales 55m

 

Crain to close tonight if situation arises

[NorthSideSox72]

FutureSox Draft Tracker is up and running, will be updated live.

[Noonskadoodle]

I really like Ian Clarkin, JP Crawford, Sean Manaea, Phillip Ervin, & Chris Anderson around our pick.

[Baron]

Lets see who goes to Houston

[Jake]

I understand what you are saying. I took your point the wrong way. Do you think Houston could "double dip" again though with talent and just roll the dice and take Gray/Appel and Manaea?

 

It sounds like they will double dip by taking Gray or a guy like Moran for low $ and try to spend more on someone else, maybe Manaea.

 

Man it is very very unlikely but Dominic Smith at #17 would be the best case scenario tonight. I didn't think the Sox had a chance at Hawkins last year and they got him though. I will keep my fingers crossed.

 

I love Smith at that pick. A young, but advanced bat.

[Baron]

My first 5 pick projections.

 

1. HOU - Mark Appel

2. CHC - Jonathon Gray

3. COL - Kris Bryant

4. MIN - Kohl Stewart

5. CLE -Clint Frazier

 

Yeah pretty sure Appel is going 1

[Baron]

I'm not sure Selig knows where he is at right now

[BigHurt3515]

Who is the guy everyone wants??

[Dick Allen]

The ome advantage to taking Gray near the top is with his positive test, his bonus requirement probably goes down a bit and you have more cash to play with.

[southsider2k5]

The Cubs get to choose between Gray and Bryant.