chisoxfan09 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 (edited) What a real shame, I really liked the guy and the upside he had when he was here. I wish him the best. Link: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--d-ba...-204549220.html Arizona Diamondbacks starter Daniel Hudson re-tore the ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow and will require a second surgery, a devastating injury sustained as he was on the cusp of rejoining the team's rotation. The 26-year-old Hudson left his first rehabilitation start Tuesday with Double-A Jacksonville after his arm tightened up during the second inning. An MRI on Thursday afternoon revealed the tear. Hudson is expected to undergo a second Tommy John surgery in the near future, a little more than 11 months after his first. The late Dr. Lewis Yocum performed the first operation. A source said Hudson likely would use Dr. James Andrews for the next surgery. The injury shocked Hudson as well as Diamondbacks officials. Aside from a few minor setbacks, his rehabilitation from the first injury was considered to be going well. In games at the Diamondbacks' spring training complex, he had worked up to 75 pitches. His progress was evident in the first inning of his rehab start in Double-A: The first pitch he threw, a fastball, sizzled at 95 mph, leading to loud chatter in the scouts' section of the stadium in Jacksonville, Fla. Hudson settled in around 92 mph and finished the first inning. In the middle of the second inning, his velocity started to dip, and his fastball leveled out around 88. He removed himself from the game, concerned his arm felt dead, after two innings and 48 pitches. Now comes the difficult part. While recovering from multiple Tommy John surgeries is increasingly common, doing so as a starter is rare. Los Angeles Dodgers starter Chris Capuano is the most successful case. Doug Brocail, like Hudson, had back-to-back surgeries and returned for six more seasons out of the bullpen. Relievers Joakim Soria and Brian Wilson have yet to return from their second surgeries, and free agent Todd Coffey, throwing up to 94 mph, is expected to work out for teams in the near future after returning from his second surgery last July. Edited June 8, 2013 by SpainSOXfan09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 It's a bit ironic the last couple of seasons that Herm Schneider has become renowned for keeping players healthy. If you look at that 1998-2002 group, almost all of them were wiped out. Jason Stumm, Lorenzo Barcelo, Jon Rauch (was never the same after the labrum injury), Jim Parque, Mike Sirotka, Rob Purvis, Corwin Malone, Rocky Biddle (he went on to become a decent reliever with the Expos), Kris Honel, Danny Wright, James Baldwin and Matt Ginter. The only ones who became "successful" were the least highly touted of the group....Buehrle, Josh Fogg and Chad Bradford. Then there was Kip Wells, Garland and Matt Guerrier. (Of course, Garland wasn't our draft pick, he was the Cubs'). Then, of some of our recent pitchers, Hudson and Brandon McCarthy have had horrible luck with injuries, Clayton Richard some problems as well...Sergio Santos, it has almost been like a curse when we try to draft and develop our own pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 03:03 AM) It's a bit ironic the last couple of seasons that Herm Schneider has become renowned for keeping players healthy. If you look at that 1998-2002 group, almost all of them were wiped out. Jason Stumm, Lorenzo Barcelo, Jon Rauch (was never the same after the labrum injury), Jim Parque, Mike Sirotka, Rob Purvis, Corwin Malone, Rocky Biddle (he went on to become a decent reliever with the Expos), Kris Honel, Danny Wright, James Baldwin and Matt Ginter. The only ones who became "successful" were the least highly touted of the group....Buehrle, Josh Fogg and Chad Bradford. Then there was Kip Wells, Garland and Matt Guerrier. (Of course, Garland wasn't our draft pick, he was the Cubs'). Then, of some of our recent pitchers, Hudson and Brandon McCarthy have had horrible luck with injuries, Clayton Richard some problems as well...Sergio Santos, it has almost been like a curse when we try to draft and develop our own pitchers. How is that ironic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 02:38 AM) How is that ironic? The fact that almost every single pitcher we've ever drafted and tried to develop internally over the last decade plus has gotten injured or missed significant amounts of time, most with other organizations....30-40% while still members of the Sox 40 man roster. Other than Mark Buehrle, who almost nothing was expected of on draft day. On the other hand, besides Peavy and now Floyd and John Danks, we've had a very good record keeping pitchers acquired from other organizations pretty healthy. We wouldn't be 1st-2nd-3rd in quality starts over pretty much any time frame you look at from 2003 on without health of the pitching staff being a major factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 03:03 AM) It's a bit ironic the last couple of seasons that Herm Schneider has become renowned for keeping players healthy. If you look at that 1998-2002 group, almost all of them were wiped out. Jason Stumm, Lorenzo Barcelo, Jon Rauch (was never the same after the labrum injury), Jim Parque, Mike Sirotka, Rob Purvis, Corwin Malone, Rocky Biddle (he went on to become a decent reliever with the Expos), Kris Honel, Danny Wright, James Baldwin and Matt Ginter. The only ones who became "successful" were the least highly touted of the group....Buehrle, Josh Fogg and Chad Bradford. Then there was Kip Wells, Garland and Matt Guerrier. (Of course, Garland wasn't our draft pick, he was the Cubs'). Then, of some of our recent pitchers, Hudson and Brandon McCarthy have had horrible luck with injuries, Clayton Richard some problems as well...Sergio Santos, it has almost been like a curse when we try to draft and develop our own pitchers. You are the master of cherry picking. Until now I didn't realize that the Sox only had 22 pitchers between 1998 and 2002. I also like how you laid 4 pitchers in there that basically saw no time at the major league level at Schneiders feet. I'm sure Herm feels really guilty about Honel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 It looks like Coop was right when he said Hudson was "high maintenance". It's a shame though, he was really good with AZ before he got hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 No!!! Kenny sucks!!! Hudson 4 lyfe!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 In retrospect I wish they would have given Hudson the job instead of trading for Edwin, and then tried to trade him in the following offseason. But it is just crying over spilled milk at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 In all seriousness, this is why you don't wish TJ on somebody. This isn't something you just "get out of the way" because nothing is automatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 03:03 AM) It's a bit ironic the last couple of seasons that Herm Schneider has become renowned for keeping players healthy. If you look at that 1998-2002 group, almost all of them were wiped out. Jason Stumm, Lorenzo Barcelo, Jon Rauch (was never the same after the labrum injury), Jim Parque, Mike Sirotka, Rob Purvis, Corwin Malone, Rocky Biddle (he went on to become a decent reliever with the Expos), Kris Honel, Danny Wright, James Baldwin and Matt Ginter. The only ones who became "successful" were the least highly touted of the group....Buehrle, Josh Fogg and Chad Bradford. Then there was Kip Wells, Garland and Matt Guerrier. (Of course, Garland wasn't our draft pick, he was the Cubs'). Then, of some of our recent pitchers, Hudson and Brandon McCarthy have had horrible luck with injuries, Clayton Richard some problems as well...Sergio Santos, it has almost been like a curse when we try to draft and develop our own pitchers. People typically put far more of the onus on Nardi Contreras. I really don't think it has anything to do with Schneider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 08:59 AM) People typically put far more of the onus on Nardi Contreras. I really don't think it has anything to do with Schneider. Stumm and Honel never made it to the Sox. Schneider would not have much to do with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 03:03 AM) It's a bit ironic the last couple of seasons that Herm Schneider has become renowned for keeping players healthy. If you look at that 1998-2002 group, almost all of them were wiped out. Jason Stumm, Lorenzo Barcelo, Jon Rauch (was never the same after the labrum injury), Jim Parque, Mike Sirotka, Rob Purvis, Corwin Malone, Rocky Biddle (he went on to become a decent reliever with the Expos), Kris Honel, Danny Wright, James Baldwin and Matt Ginter. The only ones who became "successful" were the least highly touted of the group....Buehrle, Josh Fogg and Chad Bradford. Then there was Kip Wells, Garland and Matt Guerrier. (Of course, Garland wasn't our draft pick, he was the Cubs'). Then, of some of our recent pitchers, Hudson and Brandon McCarthy have had horrible luck with injuries, Clayton Richard some problems as well...Sergio Santos, it has almost been like a curse when we try to draft and develop our own pitchers. Of the pitchers you picked, we did not draft Barcelo or Santos either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 IIRC, most of those guys had labrum injuries which was a death sentence back then. I believe that was the case for Rauch, Barcelo, Parque, Biddle. Can't recall the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 10:32 AM) IIRC, most of those guys had labrum injuries which was a death sentence back then. I believe that was the case for Rauch, Barcelo, Parque, Biddle. Can't recall the rest. No, it was pretty much all of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 03:03 AM) It's a bit ironic the last couple of seasons that Herm Schneider has become renowned for keeping players healthy. If you look at that 1998-2002 group, almost all of them were wiped out. Jason Stumm, Lorenzo Barcelo, Jon Rauch (was never the same after the labrum injury), Jim Parque, Mike Sirotka, Rob Purvis, Corwin Malone, Rocky Biddle (he went on to become a decent reliever with the Expos), Kris Honel, Danny Wright, James Baldwin and Matt Ginter. The only ones who became "successful" were the least highly touted of the group....Buehrle, Josh Fogg and Chad Bradford. Then there was Kip Wells, Garland and Matt Guerrier. (Of course, Garland wasn't our draft pick, he was the Cubs'). Then, of some of our recent pitchers, Hudson and Brandon McCarthy have had horrible luck with injuries, Clayton Richard some problems as well...Sergio Santos, it has almost been like a curse when we try to draft and develop our own pitchers. So four of the most recent young pitchers we traded had injury problems. Props to KW for trading them away before they were injured on our watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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