Phil Rogers throws KW under the bus

[Jake]

I find it hardly to believe that a guy could just bulls*** his way into a World Series title as a GM. He had been GM for years, it was a squad he designed and had really rebuilt on the fly. That alone should really put the argument in doubt, if you ask me.

[Dick Allen]

You think my source doesn't know what's going on? To each their own.

Don't know who your source is, but can tell you he was really wrong about that one. There's a better chance Adam Dunn leads the AL in hitting than Ozzie ever managing the White Sox again.

[Jake]

As far as what Marty is saying, I don't see any reason that Hahn and Ozzie would have beef. It wouldn't surprise me either way, but I'm guessing they weren't really bumping into each other that often on a day to day basis anyway.

 

I think Hahn is a smart guy though and would know that we are not close to the moment where it would be appropriate to have Ozzie Guillen coach the White Sox again. There could be a time when the fanbase could accept Ozzie as a manager again, but we are not very close to that time.

[caulfield12]

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-b...-all-star-break

 

 

This whole idea is dumb for ONE SIMPLE reason.

 

Kenny Williams added Kevin Youkilis in June, then Francisco Liriano and Brett Myers in July.

 

No GM was more active, even if he took off the All-Star Break to go to Egypt.

 

Everyone in baseball (major and minor leagues) considers their league's All-Star break as a well-deserved vacation time. Now he might have missed ONE day from work (if I recall, it was 4 days instead of the customary three, or included one or both weekends in that trip, but C'MON!!!

 

It's asinine.

 

What did KW have to do with the White Sox collapse in August/September? He could have been out of the country for 2 full months hiking the Appalachian Trail or with a mistress in Argentina and it wouldn't have mattered one iota.

 

Now the whole process, from what has been reported about the Sergio Santos/Molina deal...that's a fair reason to criticize him, if it's accurate. Thre definitely was enough due diligence done by the GM or too much delegating for an asset who was so important at the time.

 

Edited June 8, 2013 by caulfield12

[Chicago White Sox]

As far as what Marty is saying, I don't see any reason that Hahn and Ozzie would have beef. It wouldn't surprise me either way, but I'm guessing they weren't really bumping into each other that often on a day to day basis anyway.

 

I think Hahn is a smart guy though and would know that we are not close to the moment where it would be appropriate to have Ozzie Guillen coach the White Sox again. There could be a time when the fanbase could accept Ozzie as a manager again, but we are not very close to that time.

First off, KW has been Hahn's boss for over a decade. Hahn isn't going to slight KW by hiring his nemesis, even if KW leaves the organization. On top of that, I'm sure Reinsdorf wasn't pleased with Ozzie's exit and while he may not dislike him, he'd probably like to avoid Ozzie as manager again a la Doug Collins.

 

Second, Oney Guillen ripped multiple members of the front office and referred to select group of them as "nerds". I don't know if Hahn was in this group or not, but I'm sure he doesn't some punk kid ripping his guys on Twitter. And Ozzie never did anything to make things right. I'm sure loves Ozzie for that.

 

Third, Ozzie is a selfish f*** who has a history of clasheing with his higher ups and Hahn isn't going to going to risk his career on a guy like that.

 

Fourth and most importantly, Ozzie sucks as a manager.

Edited June 8, 2013 by Chicago White Sox

[Chicago White Sox]

And Jake, that post wasn't directed at you, just why Rick Hahn ever hiring Ozzie Guillen to manage the Sox makes no sense.

[greg775]

Don't shoot the messenger. Maybe Rogers is telling us the truth about KW.

[southsider2k5]

Don't shoot the messenger. Maybe Rogers is telling us the truth about KW.

 

Great messenger. Maybe he can tell us that Bill Veeck was an alcoholic, Oscar Gamble's fro was fake, or something else relevant.

[The Ultimate Champion]

First off, KW has been Hahn's boss for over a decade. Hahn isn't going to slight KW by hiring his nemesis, even if KW leaves the organization. On top of that, I'm sure Reinsdorf wasn't pleased with Ozzie's exit and while he may not dislike him, he'd probably like to avoid Ozzie as manager again a la Doug Collins.

 

Second, Oney Guillen ripped multiple members of the front office and referred to select group of them as "nerds". I don't know if Hahn was in this group or not, but I'm sure he doesn't some punk kid ripping his guys on Twitter. And Ozzie never did anything to make things right. I'm sure loves Ozzie for that.

 

Third, Ozzie is a selfish f*** who has a history of clasheing with his higher ups and Hahn isn't going to going to risk his career on a guy like that.

 

Fourth and most importantly, Ozzie sucks as a manager.

And #2 is the biggest reason you're not going to see Ozzie manage this team again, or probably anywhere else in MLB save for the Bobby Valentine-esque "think outside of the box" hire. Ozzie used his b**** son & Joe Cowley to attack his co-workers, ex-players, etc. in the media and then feigned ignorance about the whole thing. Who would want someone like that to be such an integral part of the organization, basically serving as the link between the players and FO, media & players/FO, etc.?

[The Ultimate Champion]

Don't shoot the messenger. Maybe Rogers is telling us the truth about KW.

Phil Rogers is going to get nothing of importance from anyone of importance within this organization. Kenny IIRC has called him out publicly before for being a dumbf***, Phil's probably just butthurt about it still. Phil can go puff a dick.

[Soxfest]

KW time with the Sox needs to end for good after 2013.

[The Ultimate Champion]

KW time with the Sox needs to end for good after 2013.

You've seen him in the shower, haven't you?

 

I can't see any other reason why anyone would be so jealous.

[Marty34]

First off, KW has been Hahn's boss for over a decade. Hahn isn't going to slight KW by hiring his nemesis, even if KW leaves the organization. On top of that, I'm sure Reinsdorf wasn't pleased with Ozzie's exit and while he may not dislike him, he'd probably like to avoid Ozzie as manager again a la Doug Collins.

 

Doug Collins was signed, sealed and delivered as Bulls coach before Tibs, then he backed out.

[ptatc]

Don't shoot the messenger. Maybe Rogers is telling us the truth about KW.

I've never heard nor seen anything that would even imply this about KW until last year when Hahn was slowly taking a more active role in things. KW did slowly do less and allow Hahn to "get his feet wet." So the stuff last year is probably somewhat true but not from being lazy.

 

It sounds like a reporter firing at a guy who always disliked the media and having to deal with them. Just like many of the radio guys didn't like him because he wouldn't go on the radio.

[winninguglyin83]

Maybe Kenny Williams will go fix the Oakland Raiders

 

And take Adam Dunn to play QB.

 

He can't leave soon enough

 

Go Phil, Go.

[Chicago White Sox]

Doug Collins was signed, sealed and delivered as Bulls coach before Tibs, then he backed out.

Reinsdorf still had concerns with the potential hire. Ultimately Collins is one who backed out, but let's not pretend Reinsdorf had nothing to do with the final decision.

 

Regardless, do you really think Reinsdorf would want to deal with Ozzie and his clan again?

[ptatc]

Maybe Kenny Williams will go fix the Oakland Raiders

 

And take Adam Dunn to play QB.

 

He can't leave soon enough

 

Go Phil, Go.

You can disagree with the philosophy but saying a guy was too lazy to do his job is just irresponsible.

[Marty34]

Reinsdorf still had concerns with the potential hire. Ultimately Collins is one who backed out, but let's not pretend Reinsdorf had nothing to do with the final decision.

 

Regardless, do you really think Reinsdorf would want to deal with Ozzie and his clan again?

 

If Reinsdorf had a problem with re-hiring Collins there would be no contract offer. Reinsdorf has no beef with Guillen. KW had just as many detractors in the front office, if not more, than Guillen.

 

As far as the Guillen twitter fiasco goes, yes that was bad, but nothing compared to KW hiring his friend (Wilder) who embezzled money from the organization.

[winninguglyin83]

You can disagree with the philosophy but saying a guy was too lazy to do his job is just irresponsible.

 

It was just his opinion.

 

Just like people have the opinion that Rogers doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

Whether he was lazy or the hardest working guy in baseball, Kenny Williams left the White Sox with an immense mess that will take years to fix.

 

For that, I say: Good riddance.

 

 

[ptatc]

It was just his opinion.

 

Just like people have the opinion that Rogers doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

Whether he was lazy or the hardest working guy in baseball, Kenny Williams left the White Sox with an immense mess that will take years to fix.

 

For that, I say: Good riddance.

I agree that it's opinion and you can say you didn't like what he did. However, for a reporter of a major new outlet in the town it's quite irresponsible to do that. He will point to last year when KW was turning the job over to Hahn and say he was right

 

It's just a guy with an axe to grind and it makes him look petty and bitter that KW didn't like his profession.

[Dick Allen]

If Reinsdorf had a problem with re-hiring Collins there would be no contract offer. Reinsdorf has no beef with Guillen. KW had just as many detractors in the front office, if not more, than Guillen.

 

As far as the Guillen twitter fiasco goes, yes that was bad, but nothing compared to KW hiring his friend (Wilder) who embezzled money from the organization.

Reinsdorf had a big beef with Guillen. A huge beef, as loyal as Reinsdorf is, disloyalty is something he does not understand. Not only was Ozzie disloyal not telling Oney to shut up, the way he left and refusing to manage while under contract gives him no shot of ever managing the White Sox again unless they are sold.

[winninguglyin83]

I don't really think that's the case.

 

Rogers was critical of Williams last year because of some of the deals he made and contracts that he offered. He's one of the few guys who didn't believe that winning the World Series in 2005 gave Williams a lifetime pass from criticism. He didn't like the way he emptied the farm system -- and he thought the farm system underperformed.

 

And my guess is that there are folks around the White Sox who also believe that folks looked the other way from some of Williams' excesses. I doubt Rogers just cooked up a story line that Williams was lazy. Not that kind of guy.

 

Cowley? Maybe.

 

Mariotti? Absolutely.

 

Rogers? I don't think so.

[Chicago White Sox]

Reinsdorf had a big beef with Guillen. A huge beef, as loyal as Reinsdorf is, disloyalty is something he does not understand. Not only was Ozzie disloyal not telling Oney to shut up, the way he left and refusing to manage while under contract gives him no shot of ever managing the White Sox again unless they are sold.

Thank you. Ozzie & his family embarrassed the entire franchise with their bulls***. Reinsdorf is not going to tolerate that circus again.

[caulfield12]

Phil Rogers is lazy....too, then.

 

Because he's not exactly got his ear down on the train tracks checking with credible sources when he makes his weekly crazy trade recommendations that are not based in reality.

 

 

Sort of a shot against both the Cubs and White Sox, but the White Sox didn't want to take the risk (arguably) and the Cubs were also investing in Soler and that LHP we'll never hear of again that they grossly overpaid.

 

The full package: You probably know Mike Brito as the guy in the chapeau holding the radar gun at Dodger Stadium. It seems he has been doing that as long as Vin Scully has been calling games. But Brito always has been much more than an extra on baseball broadcasts.

 

He's a legendary international scout — the guy who discovered Fernando Valenzuela. He has re-established his brand by playing a major role in the pursuit of Yasiel Puig, the Cuban outfielder who is an overnight sensation after a dramatic first week with the Dodgers.

 

Brito scouted Puig at tournaments with Cuba's junior national team and encouraged his bosses to ignore criticisms that he was out of shape and had attitude problems. He told MLB.com this spring, "You don't have to be a genius to see the talent with a guy like this.''

 

Everyone's seeing it, including a lot of teams that wish they had been more aggressive in pursuing him. Agent Jaime Torres worked to interest the Cubs and White Sox but neither Chicago team came close to matching the seven-year, $42 million deal that the Dodgers offered.

 

www.chicagotribune.com/sports

Edited June 9, 2013 by caulfield12

[Quin]

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