fathom Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 07:51 PM) If you're trying to build, you're going to have to be willing to take some lumps with Tyler. This gives Phegley plenty of time to marinate down in AAA instead of being pushed up at the first time of a good run. Let Josh put well over half a season together before we start worrying about putting him on the MLB club. If Flowers still sucks, you haven't lost anything. If Flowers looks like an everyday big leaguer by then, you have the happy problem of too many bats. Personally, I don't think the starting catcher for the Sox in 2014 is in the organization right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 01:51 PM) More like Cooper is a moron if he doesn't work night and day with Santiago on a 2nd and 3rd pitch every chance he gets. The changeup looks like his best offering for now, but we know it is far from perfect. It does seem to make his fastball better, though, which is a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 01:52 PM) Personally, I don't think the starting catcher for the Sox in 2014 is in the organization right now. I feel the complete opposite. I don't think we'll get one from outside of the org. unless it is a Brian McCann kind of guy, who is obviously a major piece. I don't see us picking him up...so I figure we'll either have Tyler looking like a legit catcher or go in planning to have Tyler backing up Phegley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 06:53 PM) I feel the complete opposite. I don't think we'll get one from outside of the org. unless it is a Brian McCann kind of guy, who is obviously a major piece. I don't see us picking him up...so I figure we'll either have Tyler looking like a legit catcher or go in planning to have Tyler backing up Phegley If this season continues the way it has, there's no chance IMO that Flowers is given the opportunity to be a full-time starter again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 If we trade Alex Rios, I demand Mike Olt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noonskadoodle Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Its so sad when even a team like the ASStros get up 3 runs on ya & you know its over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 01:55 PM) If this season continues the way it has, there's no chance IMO that Flowers is given the opportunity to be a full-time starter again. Well, Flowers being the starter would be assuming he continues his recent upward trajectory to some extent. Maybe batting .240-.255. Otherwise, I agree. He won't have an all-around bad season and ever sniff the starting lineup again. He's lucky he gets a one season trial run, he won't get a two season trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 07:55 PM) If we trade Alex Rios, I demand someone that Marco Paddy doesn't recommend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Off the top of my head, who has he requested other than Nestor Molina? Zach Stewart? viva la Teahen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 07:58 PM) Off the top of my head, who has he requested other than Nestor Molina? Zach Stewart? viva la Teahen! That Molina recommendation alone is enough to question him. He should thank his stars for Santos' elbow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noonskadoodle Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 02:55 PM) If we trade Alex Rios, I demand Mike Olt Doubt that happens. The only pieces I think that would bring back a solid prospect would be: -Sale.....& he is one I wouldnt trade unless the return was ridiculous. -Crain...A team in contention is really gonna over trade for him due to bullpen troubles & his ridiculous stats. - & a young arm like Jones out off the pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 If we do start trading guys, though, I want guys excelling in the high minors and/or major league baseball players. We don't do Cubs-style rebuilds around here. We need to get pieces that will help within the next year or two, at most. Think of a guy like John Danks who was not going to get a shot on his club for whatever reason but was a guy we felt we could have on our big league club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 QUOTE (Noonskadoodle @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 08:00 PM) Doubt that happens. The only pieces I think that would bring back a solid prospect would be: -Sale.....& he is one I wouldnt trade unless the return was ridiculous. -Crain...A team in contention is really gonna over trade for him due to bullpen troubles & his ridiculous stats. - & a young arm like Jones out off the pen. Why wouldn't Rios bring a good package in return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 01:59 PM) That Molina recommendation alone is enough to question him. He should thank his stars for Santos' elbow. Seems to me that all sides involved knew that was a trash for trash trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 02:00 PM) Why wouldn't Rios bring a good package in return? Yeah, look at the Texas outfield. Now, imagine it with Nelson Cruz on the 50-day suspension list. They would pay a king's ransom for Rios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 08:00 PM) If we do start trading guys, though, I want guys excelling in the high minors and/or major league baseball players. We don't do Cubs-style rebuilds around here. We need to get pieces that will help within the next year or two, at most. Think of a guy like John Danks who was not going to get a shot on his club for whatever reason but was a guy we felt we could have on our big league club. You mean the team that after today is likely to have a better record than the Sox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Also, Nate Jones is worth a ton more to us than he'd be worth in a trade. I wouldn't trade him unless someone made an incredibly stupid offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 08:00 PM) Seems to me that all sides involved knew that was a trash for trash trade Supposedly other teams were upset they didn't know Santos was available, as they would have tried to acquire him. When you look at what Andrew Bailey and Melancon were traded for in that same offseason, it's ridiculous the Sox only got Molina. Edited June 16, 2013 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikep Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 QUOTE (Noonskadoodle @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 12:56 PM) Its so sad when even a team like the ASStros get up 3 runs on ya & you know its over. Astros announcers said Astros pitching staffs ERA is second behind the As in June.13 quality starts last 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 02:02 PM) Supposedly other teams were upset they didn't know Santos was available, as they would have tried to acquire him. Probably wouldn't have wanted to deal with us again if we traded them a guy with a bum elbow. Hard to know what was going on behind the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noonskadoodle Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 03:00 PM) Why wouldn't Rios bring a good package in return? You guys are right. I thought his contract was a little longer than it was. He should def bring in a solid piece as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noonskadoodle Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 QUOTE (mike89128 @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 03:02 PM) Astros announcers said Astros pitching staffs ERA is second behind the As in June.13 quality starts last 15. Yea I heard it. Still sad that a team like them is in position to possibly sweep us in a 4 game series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 QUOTE (Noonskadoodle @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 02:05 PM) You guys are right. I thought his contract was a little longer than it was. He should def bring in a solid piece as well. I think teams will love that option year, as they may wish to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 LOL that field setup just blew Dayan's mind. Tough play, but hilarious to watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noonskadoodle Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Hector should not. Be back in the bullpen the rest of the year. Let him stay in the rotation & continue to grow as a starter. Next year he could be a solid 3-4 for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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