Y2HH Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 21, 2013 -> 09:15 AM) The reason I don't care about private companies "invading" my privacy is that they (generally) track my habits in order to provide me services in a better way. I'm fine with that. A grocery chain wants to track my spending habits? Fine. I get personalized coupons or I get beer next to the diapers instead of all the way across the store. Google wants to know my location and search history so it can offer me better search results? Fine. That's helping me as a consumer. Now if you have a situation like Google or Apple where they're just downloading data just to have it, then yes, I agree they should get fined a ton of money for it and the people at the top should be held accountable. But the government doing it is entirely different. The ONLY reason they should ever look into my private life is absolute necessity. Anything beyond that and it's just snooping or downright invasion of privacy. There is no end benefit to me for that lack of privacy. I don't get anything out of it. I didn't even consent to it. So yes, we should all be upset about this. I totally understand the national security need to perhaps tap a phone when it's imperative and getting a warrant from a court isn't feasible. Those things happen and i'm glad that they do. But again, grabbing up data on my 90 year old grandma serves no purpose other than the government invading privacy just for the sake of doing it. Some of this I agree with, but part of the problem with how private companies are tracking us, is they're taking everything, not just your spending habits, but where you are, where you've been, how much you've spent...you're contact list, etc. Often, they're caught collecting information and data that have nothing to do with their business model...after all, what they don't need today, they may need tomorrow. And while they themselves may not be intending to use this data for nefarious reasons, those that break into their databases (on a seemingly daily basis), may use your personal information for such things. Right now, private companies are so worried about missing the boat, they're collecting everything and anything they can, and storing it, with or without permission. Keep in mind, if private companies can mine/store your personal information, that means the government can get it from them, without having to get it from you. Which is exactly what they're doing in some cases here. So, you SHOULD care about what private companies are collecting on you, so should everyone. But like I said, nobody cares...because nobody thinks about it. You said it best, so long as you get that beer coupon, f*** it. Edited June 21, 2013 by Y2HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 21, 2013 -> 09:15 AM) The reason I don't care about private companies "invading" my privacy is that they (generally) track my habits in order to sell me more things or sell my information to other groups who want to sell me more things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 Quite fitting to the conversation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Hiding in Moscow just cost you any sympathy Mr. Snowden. I am now on the government's side and want you to face trial. Let's allow a judge to sort this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 23, 2013 -> 10:33 AM) Hiding in Moscow just cost you any sympathy Mr. Snowden. I am now on the government's side and want you to face trial. Let's allow a judge to sort this out. I don't know how Moscow is any worse than Hong Kong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Just saw some blurb that Ecuador announced via twitter that Snowden had contacted them seeking asylum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 QUOTE (farmteam @ Jun 23, 2013 -> 01:27 PM) Just saw some blurb that Ecuador announced via twitter that Snowden had contacted them seeking asylum. Apparently there were Ecuadorian vehicles awaiting him at the airport in Moscow. He's almost certainly on his way there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 The statement from the government of Hong Kong is quite remarkable. "You didn't do everything correctly so we let him out...and by the way...about you listening in on our phone calls...." HKSAR Government issues statement on Edward Snowden *************************************************** The HKSAR Government today (June 23) issued the following statement on Mr Edward Snowden: Mr Edward Snowden left Hong Kong today (June 23) on his own accord for a third country through a lawful and normal channel. The US Government earlier on made a request to the HKSAR Government for the issue of a provisional warrant of arrest against Mr Snowden. Since the documents provided by the US Government did not fully comply with the legal requirements under Hong Kong law, the HKSAR Government has requested the US Government to provide additional information so that the Department of Justice could consider whether the US Government’s request can meet the relevant legal conditions. As the HKSAR Government has yet to have sufficient information to process the request for provisional warrant of arrest, there is no legal basis to restrict Mr Snowden from leaving Hong Kong. The HKSAR Government has already informed the US Government of Mr Snowden’s departure. Meanwhile, the HKSAR Government has formally written to the US Government requesting clarification on earlier reports about the hacking of computer systems in Hong Kong by US government agencies. The HKSAR Government will continue to follow up on the matter so as to protect the legal rights of the people of Hong Kong. Ends/Sunday, June 23, 2013 Issued at HKT 16:05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 MOSCOW – June 23, 2013 – NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden left Hong Kong on an Aeroflot flight to Moscow. His ultimate destination is thought to be Venezuela by way of Havana. However, during Snowden’s Moscow stopover, he met with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who stole his laptop. “He said he wanted to see my laptop, so I showed it to him in the airport lounge,” said Snowden. “Putin picked it up and said, ‘I could kill someone with this.’” “I reached out to take it back, but his secret service guys surrounded him, and he walked out of the airport with my f***ing laptop!” Snowden continued. “Son of a b****!” Guardian columnist Glenn Greenwald did not immediately respond to a request for comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 23, 2013 -> 01:40 PM) The statement from the government of Hong Kong is quite remarkable. "You didn't do everything correctly so we let him out...and by the way...about you listening in on our phone calls...." I did find that wonderfully ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 23, 2013 -> 12:25 PM) I don't know how Moscow is any worse than Hong Kong? Today the Russian government is much more trustworthy than China's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 QUOTE (farmteam @ Jun 23, 2013 -> 12:27 PM) Just saw some blurb that Ecuador announced via twitter that Snowden had contacted them seeking asylum. What is Ecuador's gameplan with hosting these international fugitives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 23, 2013 -> 08:54 PM) What is Ecuador's gameplan with hosting these international fugitives? Yeah it seems like a strange route to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 What was this guys life like before letting this leak out? Was he living a peaceful life? I'm just saying that if I knew what he does, I would've just kept quiet and lived my life rather than live on the run. He's eventually going to get caught. Just doesn't seem worth it. I mean how many of us were actually surprised about what he leaked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 The smell of fame is intoxicating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 23, 2013 -> 09:54 PM) What is Ecuador's gameplan with hosting these international fugitives? Chevron oil is facing a $19 billion fine in Ecuador for literally destroying a large portion of the country and so far the West is protecting the company and its shareholders from payment and prosecution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 04:50 AM) What was this guys life like before letting this leak out? Was he living a peaceful life? I'm just saying that if I knew what he does, I would've just kept quiet and lived my life rather than live on the run. He's eventually going to get caught. Just doesn't seem worth it. I mean how many of us were actually surprised about what he leaked? He was making boatloads of cash and living in Hawaii. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 The US is appalled (!) that Snowden would use Cuban soil to avoid US courts. Where could he have ever gotten such an idea?? — @ryangrim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 23, 2013 -> 08:52 PM) Today the Russian government is much more trustworthy than China's. There is zero chance that they aren't engaged in the exact same activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 08:31 AM) Chevron oil is facing a $19 billion fine in Ecuador for literally destroying a large portion of the country and so far the West is protecting the company and its shareholders from payment and prosecution. Somehow someway it always comes back to oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 09:34 AM) Somehow someway it always comes back to oil. I thought it was always George Bush's fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 11:51 AM) I thought it was always George Bush's fault? Well duh, that way you can blame two for the price of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 s*** just got real. http://news.yahoo.com/bolivian-presidents-...-012100277.html Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 01:55 PM) s*** just got real. http://news.yahoo.com/bolivian-presidents-...-012100277.html Discuss. I don't think s*** got real, I think the U.S. embarrassed itself. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I read that there was a pro-American hacker called The jester who was screwing with Ecuador until the decided not to have Snowden. Didn't know there WERE pro-American hackers. Thought they were all self-important anarchist assholes to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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