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QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 03:48 PM)
I read that there was a pro-American hacker called The jester who was screwing with Ecuador until the decided not to have Snowden. Didn't know there WERE pro-American hackers. Thought they were all self-important anarchist assholes to begin with.

(Could be on someone's payroll).

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 4, 2013 -> 09:12 AM)
We have the entire Latin American world pissed at us because we screwed with one of their leaders for absolutely no reason.

So its OK for the entire Latin American world to stand by each other simply because of the color of their skin? WHy would, or should, Argentina or Chili give a rats ass about Bolivia? Just because they share the same skin color?

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QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 4, 2013 -> 01:42 PM)
So its OK for the entire Latin American world to stand by each other simply because of the color of their skin? WHy would, or should, Argentina or Chili give a rats ass about Bolivia? Just because they share the same skin color?

A group of states that are aligned with each other politically and militarily with a long history of colonial issues with the United States?

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QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 4, 2013 -> 12:42 PM)
So its OK for the entire Latin American world to stand by each other simply because of the color of their skin? WHy would, or should, Argentina or Chili give a rats ass about Bolivia? Just because they share the same skin color?

As Balta insinuated, that seems not anywhere near the top of reasons they'd be likely to have similar interests.

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QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 4, 2013 -> 12:42 PM)
So its OK for the entire Latin American world to stand by each other simply because of the color of their skin? WHy would, or should, Argentina or Chili give a rats ass about Bolivia? Just because they share the same skin color?

uh, what?

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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 4, 2013 -> 06:45 PM)
uh, what?

If Bolivia held up a plane with the head of Canada on it, would the US be all crazy because he was a fellow cracker? Sure, there would be the cursory accusations or condemnations in the media or the UN, but really, do we go around defending people just because they are white? Or black?

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 4, 2013 -> 04:53 PM)
A group of states that are aligned with each other politically and militarily with a long history of colonial issues with the United States?

I think it was Portugal and Spain that were the colonizing forces in SOuth America, not the US, so not sure why they would have a problem with US for what THEY did.

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QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 4, 2013 -> 11:08 PM)
If Bolivia held up a plane with the head of Canada on it, would the US be all crazy because he was a fellow cracker? Sure, there would be the cursory accusations or condemnations in the media or the UN, but really, do we go around defending people just because they are white? Or black?

huh?

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QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 4, 2013 -> 11:11 PM)
I think it was Portugal and Spain that were the colonizing forces in SOuth America, not the US, so not sure why they would have a problem with US for what THEY did.

wow, seriously, go read some late-19th and 20th century history about the US-LA relationships.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-zune...i_b_127528.html

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QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 09:21 AM)
Intervention and colonization are different things. But lets get back to playing 'Where's Snowden'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonialism

 

'Colonialism' doesn't refer strictly to the literal establishment of colonies by foreign powers.

 

There are good reasons that many Latin American countries are not particularly fond of the US, and it's not because they're all the same race. That was a really, really silly thing to say.

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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 01:44 PM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonialism

 

'Colonialism' doesn't refer strictly to the literal establishment of colonies by foreign powers.

 

There are good reasons that many Latin American countries are not particularly fond of the US, and it's not because they're all the same race. That was a really, really silly thing to say.

To be honest, we f***ed them over pretty bad for a long time. What with our supporting their friendly dictators who let us take what we wanted and all. Btw anyone who wasn't down with this arrangement is a "socialist."

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I don't think s*** got real, I think the U.S. embarrassed itself. Again.

Oh give me a break. Take away Brazil and all of South America's GDP's combined is barely more than the state of Texas. We also gave $5 billion in 90% economic aid to South America last year. Tell you what, when they start repaying the combined $200b we've given them since the war ended we can feel embarrassed about something like this. Until then they're just another country that talks like they dont like us while gladly accepting more and more of our money.

 

f*** 'em.

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QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Aug 1, 2013 -> 10:48 AM)
If I were him, I'd probably want to keep my stay there as brief as possible. Keep trying until someone else opens their doors and then book it out of there. He's better off over there than he would be here, but probably not by much.

Other countries have already offered to open doors for him, the problem is actually getting there. If he flies normally he runs the risk of having the plane forced to land when he's over someone else's airspace. He could possibly take a very long boatride that stays in international waters to get to South America, but he couldn't do that until he could leave the airport.

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The partner of the Guardian journalist who has written a series of stories revealing mass surveillance programmes by the US National Security Agency was held for almost nine hours on Sunday by UK authorities as he passed through London's Heathrow airport on his way home to Rio de Janeiro.

 

David Miranda, who lives with Glenn Greenwald, was returning from a trip to Berlin when he was stopped by officers at 8.05am and informed that he was to be questioned under schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000. The controversial law, which applies only at airports, ports and border areas, allows officers to stop, search, question and detain individuals.

 

The 28-year-old was held for nine hours, the maximum the law allows before officers must release or formally arrest the individual. According to official figures, most examinations under schedule 7 – over 97% – last under an hour, and only one in 2,000 people detained are kept for more than six hours.

 

Miranda was released, but officials confiscated electronics equipment including his mobile phone, laptop, camera, memory sticks, DVDs and games consoles.

Well now I definitely feel more confident that governments won't abuse these anti-terrorism powers.
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