greg775 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 06:57 PM) I sure would have liked to have the chance to take Appel, Gray or Bryant this year compared to Tim Anderson. I have high hopes for Anderson, but the top 3 in the draft had unreal talent. I know, but I'm just saying some of us understand all the reasons people want the Sox to lose, lose, lose. It's like guys like Steve have to educate us on why we are morons for not desiring another loss. Some of us don't care about the draft and would prefer living in the present and not having a clownish team. It takes too long for draftees to make it to the bigs, hence I don't care. I'd rather win games and watch games and not have to puke at an overmatched team. Edited June 20, 2013 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 02:05 PM) I know, but I'm just saying some of us understand all the reasons people want the Sox to lose, lose, lose. It's like guys like Steve have to educate us on why we are morons for not desiring another loss. Some of us don't care about the draft and would prefer living in the present and not having a clownish team. It takes too long for draftees to make it to the bigs, hence I don't care. I'd rather win games and watch games and not have to puke at the an overmatched team. Steve wants the same thing. Unfortunately Steve was right about this team sucking and pointed it out prior to the season. He also has the tact of a bull in a china shop when expressing these things to the rest of us. We all want to see the team win(well, maybe not fathom), but the sad fact of this season is that the way out of this mess will neither be quick nor easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 08:05 PM) I know, but I'm just saying some of us understand all the reasons people want the Sox to lose, lose, lose. It's like guys like Steve have to educate us on why we are morons for not desiring another loss. Some of us don't care about the draft and would prefer living in the present and not having a clownish team. It takes too long for draftees to make it to the bigs, hence I don't care. I'd rather win games and watch games and not have to puke at an overmatched team. Again, they are an overmatched team. It's one of the worst teams in the majors and has one of the worst farm systems in the majors. I think you're overestimating how long it takes top college players selected in the draft to make it to the majors these days. If the Sox drafted someone like Rodon next year, I don't see him lasting longer than a full year in the minors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 01:56 PM) To people who repeat the same thing over and over about the Sox losing being the way to go and how we should be happy about it. ... a.) Yes we understand the worst record you have, the greater chances are of getting an impact player in the draft. b.) Some of us frankly don't care about the draft as long as baseball has a system in which it takes a long time usually for draftees to make it to the bigs, unlike basketball and football. In other words, please let us root for the Sox to win if we like to live in the present and win games. You may think we're stupid, but some of us don't give a flying f*** about the draft compared to winning baseball games and not being an embarrassment of a team on a daily basis. Nobody is stopping you from hoping they win. It's not like I get upset when they win right now. There are those who want to lose, but for me, I just don't care when they lose right now. I really don't care about the results of the game. I enjoy watching them still (to an extent), and you want players to do well, but the win or the loss really doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 03:08 PM) Again, they are an overmatched team. It's one of the worst teams in the majors and has one of the worst farm systems in the majors. I think you're overestimating how long it takes top college players selected in the draft to make it to the majors these days. If the Sox drafted someone like Rodon next year, I don't see him lasting longer than a full year in the minors. And I think you're vastly overestimating how much of a "Sure thing" drafted players are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 07:08 PM) Again, they are an overmatched team. It's one of the worst teams in the majors and has one of the worst farm systems in the majors. I think you're overestimating how long it takes top college players selected in the draft to make it to the majors these days. If the Sox drafted someone like Rodon next year, I don't see him lasting longer than a full year in the minors. You make good points. I guess I don't express myself well enough. I just hate the fact with many the season reaches a point, this year in June, where the answer to everything is like, 'This is good. We are in the running for the No. 1 draft pick if we keep this up.' It's like it's an easy way to write off the season and just wait for Bears camp to open. Deep down I'd prefer the Sox hiring Frank Thomas as hitting coach (like KC did with Brett), win 11 of 12 and not be the joke of the AL Central. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 08:10 PM) Nobody is stopping you from hoping they win. It's not like I get upset when they win right now. There are those who want to lose, but for me, I just don't care when they lose right now. I really don't care about the results of the game. I enjoy watching them still (to an extent), and you want players to do well, but the win or the loss really doesn't matter. I root more for individual players, such as Beckham, Viciedo, Flowers and the pitching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Some more awful defense by the Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikep Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 01:19 PM) Some more awful defense by the Sox. 51 errors so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Twins have good fans. They draw 30000 or more all summer and like to watch average to poor baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 That was a pathetic inning. Sox have phoned it in under Robin. The team can't be THIS bad. Some of this is mental. Like DeAza hitting a homer in his first at bat of the series and not sniffing a hit after that. What a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 What I don't understand is the posters who think losing is the best still complain when they lose. Shouldn't the losing make you happy if that is what you think is best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 07:33 PM) That was a pathetic inning. Sox have phoned it in under Robin. The team can't be THIS bad. Some of this is mental. I completely agree with you. This team makes losing seem way too easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joxer_Daly Posted June 20, 2013 Author Share Posted June 20, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 08:31 PM) Twins have good fans. They draw 30000 or more all summer and like to watch average to poor baseball. Solid. I heard that being mentioned in the broadcast from last night's or Tuesday night's game. Wonder what capacity their ballpark is? (I know I could look it up quite easily, if I was really bothered.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 07:34 PM) What I don't understand is the posters who think losing is the best still complain when they lose. Shouldn't the losing make you happy if that is what you think is best? Losing is probably what's best for the organization based on how the first few months have gone, but it doesn't mean we don't want to see development by players that can help the club in the future (ie: Flowers' catching ability, Viciedo being able to hit RHP, etc.). When the same stupid mistakes happen game after game and no one is held accountable, it's frustrating to see as a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 QUOTE (Joxer_Daly @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 03:35 PM) Solid. I heard that being mentioned in the broadcast from last night's or Tuesday night's game. Wonder what capacity their ballpark is? (I know I could look it up quite easily, if I was really bothered.) Well over 40k. They're down a lot from when the stadium opened already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 03:36 PM) Losing is probably what's best for the organization based on how the first few months have gone, but it doesn't mean we don't want to see development by players that can help the club in the future (ie: Flowers' catching ability, Viciedo being able to hit RHP, etc.). When the same stupid mistakes happen game after game and no one is held accountable, it's frustrating to see as a fan. Don't worry, now that Flowers's hot streak seems to have ended, the people who have been saying he's sucky and a failure and should be replaced will get their way pretty soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 02:31 PM) Twins have good fans. They draw 30000 or more all summer and like to watch average to poor baseball. That's because they have a beautiful new ballpark. Since it opened, average attendance has dropped from 39k to 34k to 30k. I'm sure next year will go under 30 with their roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 02:38 PM) Don't worry, now that Flowers's hot streak seems to have ended, the people who have been saying he's sucky and a failure and should be replaced will get their way pretty soon. Good. We don't have enough threads about catchers on PHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 02:36 PM) Losing is probably what's best for the organization based on how the first few months have gone, but it doesn't mean we don't want to see development by players that can help the club in the future (ie: Flowers' catching ability, Viciedo being able to hit RHP, etc.). When the same stupid mistakes happen game after game and no one is held accountable, it's frustrating to see as a fan. I understand the buzzword this season is accountability, but they have given everyone on the roster a shot and the same things occur when they come in as well. Since we are not in the clubhouse, it seems unfair to think there is no conversation going on. It's not like Alexei Ramirez has had his head completely in the game his entire career up until now. I also think complaining about accountability is ironic coming from message boards where no one is held accountable for their numerous errors. We all make many of them but we all go on like it we are never wrong. Edited June 20, 2013 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 08:38 PM) Don't worry, now that Flowers's hot streak seems to have ended, the people who have been saying he's sucky and a failure and should be replaced will get their way pretty soon. He's still swinging better at the plate than he was a month ago, but his failures behind the plate are worse than ever. He's not very good, but I'm still convinced he'll get this entire year to try and win a spot on the roster next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 08:40 PM) I understand the buzzword this season is accountability, but they have given everyone on the roster a shot and the same things occur when they come in as well. Since we are not in the clubhouse, it seems unfair to think there is no conversation going on. It's not like Alexei Ramirez has had his head completely in the game his entire career up until now. What I don't get is using the same lineup game after game when you have the worst offense in the AL. Ventura flat out admits that Alexei's lack of power is probably due to batting 2nd, but he's hesitant to make any changes. One game, he made all sorts of changes and they scored 4 off of Felix Hernandez. The next game, it was back to normal and has stayed with the normal lineup. Nothing about De Aza's season shows that he's a leadoff hitter, but they seem scared to make any changes there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 03:41 PM) He's still swinging better at the plate than he was a month ago, but his failures behind the plate are worse than ever. He's not very good, but I'm still convinced he'll get this entire year to try and win a spot on the roster next season. I think when stuff starts going down around the trade deadline, C will probably be one of the positions they make a move at. If it were me in that chair I'd want Phegley to get a look at big league pitching with more than an occasional at bat before next year, to help decide whether to give him the position or spend money there. Especially since McCann's availab.e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 08:44 PM) I think when stuff starts going down around the trade deadline, C will probably be one of the positions they make a move at. If it were me in that chair I'd want Phegley to get a look at big league pitching with more than an occasional at bat before next year, to help decide whether to give him the position or spend money there. So you think they go with Flowers/Phegley the last few months? That would make sense, as I agree it would be nice to have some type of idea whether or not Phegley is overmatched at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Had no idea that the Sox were even playing this afternoon. It's pretty sad when I would rather watch NBA games or the NHL when I really don't care much about either sport, but still prefer the drama/excitement of any sport played well compared to what has become of this White Sox season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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