greg775 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) ESPN praised AJ excessively during Sunday night game. He's hitting over .300 and is doing what AJ does. Hahn or whomever who decided Flowers can play the game of baseball pretty much gets an F for that decision. Considering we are in last place with major holes in our lineup, I'd say the decision to not pony up and sign AJ was one of the KEY reasons our team is an everyday embarrassment, a last-place AL Central team. Yes, hindsight is 20/20 but these guys get paid big bucks to make decisions in the front office and the decision to let AJ go was PAINFUL. And don't say he could have signed. They didn't want him and everybody knows it. It was Flowers time and Flowers looks AWFUL (to this point). AJ is actually just what this lineup needs. Our front office frustrates me. Edited June 24, 2013 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 If the Sox had kept AJ, they might be about 8 games out of first instead of 10½ games out. That would have been well worth the extra $7.5M to have a team that doesn't quite suck as much as the one we actually have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 12:19 AM) ESPN praised AJ excessively during Sunday night game. He's hitting over .300 and is doing what AJ does. Hahn or whomever who decided Flowers can play the game of baseball pretty much gets an F for that decision. Considering we are in last place with major holes in our lineup, I'd say the decision to not pony up and sign AJ was one of the KEY reasons our team is an everyday embarrassment, a last-place AL Central team. Yes, hindsight is 20/20 but these guys get paid big bucks to make decisions in the front office and the decision to let AJ go was PAINFUL. And don't say he could have signed. They didn't want him and everybody knows it. It was Flowers time and Flowers looks AWFUL (to this point). AJ is actually just what this lineup needs. Our front office frustrates me. There's no way that anyone who has watched this team play this year truly feels like they're a solid hitting catcher away from contending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) What Flowers had going for him that people thought would really separate him from AJ was his defense. His hitting since coming over from Atlanta has been garbage. Good news is he is written off and we can move on to someone else shortly. Edited June 24, 2013 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 06:24 PM) There's no way that anyone who has watched this team play this year truly feels like they're a solid hitting catcher away from contending. ding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 This thread should be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 They would have been better if they kept him, but how much is the question. Obviously, offensively he is an upgrade and he is nowhere near the defensive downgrade he was advertised. The Sox wouldn't be in first, but they probbly wouldn't be in last. AJ did have an effect on other players. He used to ride Ramirez hard. Mybe AJs absence is at least a small reason for Anorexei's struggles in the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShandyMan Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Yes, we should have kept him so we could trade him at the deadline. Him being here would have changed nothing. He can't play all positions and be our only hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 06:24 PM) If the Sox had kept AJ, they might be about 8 games out of first instead of 10½ games out. That would have been well worth the extra $7.5M to have a team that doesn't quite suck as much as the one we actually have. Exactly. Letting AJ go was absolutely the right move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 11:24 PM) There's no way that anyone who has watched this team play this year truly feels like they're a solid hitting catcher away from contending. I'm saying it NEVER WOULD HAVE GOTTEN to this point. We'd be four or five over .500 and in the fricking race. Our pitching is outstanding. AJ brought some intangibles, too, you know. Plus yes his bat would have been nice to have in this godforsaken lineup. I very much disagree. Putting together a team and everyday lineup is a puzzle. And the AJ piece has NOT been replaced. NOT CLOSE. Edited June 24, 2013 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 yea i'm going to have to agree with everyone else. Sox would still suck this year. This was one of the first times in a long time I knew the Sox would be terrible before the season started Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 12:33 AM) They would have been better if they kept him, but how much is the question. Obviously, offensively he is an upgrade and he is nowhere near the defensive downgrade he was advertised. The Sox wouldn't be in first, but they probbly wouldn't be in last. AJ did have an effect on other players. He used to ride Ramirez hard. Mybe AJs absence is at least a small reason for Anorexei's struggles in the field I don't doubt for a second that the AJ brought some added toughness to the Sox. With that said, you can't fault the organization for wanting to try and give Flowers a chance. If the Sox thought they were legit contenders this year, I'm sure they would have brought AJ back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 12:34 AM) I'm saying it NEVER WOULD HAVE GOTTEN to this point. We'd be four or five over .500 and in the fricking race. Our pitching is outstanding. AJ brought some intangibles, too, you know. Plus yes his bat would have been nice to have in this godforsaken lineup. I very much disagree. You could put Mike Trout from last year on this team and he wouldn't have a 15 game impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 11:35 PM) You could put Mike Trout from last year on this team and he wouldn't have a 15 game impact. The season went to hell quickly. Loss after loss after loss. AJ may have been a piece to help prevent that crap. Our pitching is GREAT. One other thing. Heaven help us if everytime the Sox have to replace a standout, the decision is made with somebody as bad as Flowers. I'm pointing out a big F for fail in this case. And it was a huge factor IMO in the Sox being an embarrassment this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 12:38 AM) The season went to hell quickly. Loss after loss after loss. AJ may have been a piece to help prevent that crap. Our pitching is GREAT. No, it's really not. 6th in the AL in ERA is good, not great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 06:19 PM) ESPN praised AJ excessively during Sunday night game. He's hitting over .300 and is doing what AJ does. Hahn or whomever who decided Flowers can play the game of baseball pretty much gets an F for that decision. Considering we are in last place with major holes in our lineup, I'd say the decision to not pony up and sign AJ was one of the KEY reasons our team is an everyday embarrassment, a last-place AL Central team. Yes, hindsight is 20/20 but these guys get paid big bucks to make decisions in the front office and the decision to let AJ go was PAINFUL. And don't say he could have signed. They didn't want him and everybody knows it. It was Flowers time and Flowers looks AWFUL (to this point). AJ is actually just what this lineup needs. Our front office frustrates me. AJ would not have this team much closer to first place than they are now. Team defense overall way too much to overcome. Edited June 24, 2013 by Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 11:35 PM) I don't doubt for a second that the AJ brought some added toughness to the Sox. With that said, you can't fault the organization for wanting to try and give Flowers a chance. If the Sox thought they were legit contenders this year, I'm sure they would have brought AJ back. This is where I disagree. I fault the organization big-time when it makes a decision that backfires so badly. It turned out they replaced AJ with a horrible, horrible player (to date). That doesn't work. All the Sox have to do is hang 4-5 over .500 in this bad division and they can be in the race. Decisions like this are horrible and somebody should be called out for them ... IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) Unfortunately, I think I'm going to have to deal with the myth of AJ for the rest of my life. Is this what it feels like to be a Bears fan? Edited June 24, 2013 by TaylorStSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 So far this year, according to fangraphs, AJP's WAR is 1.0 and Flowers' is 0.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 06:34 PM) I'm saying it NEVER WOULD HAVE GOTTEN to this point. We'd be four or five over .500 and in the fricking race. Our pitching is outstanding. AJ brought some intangibles, too, you know. Plus yes his bat would have been nice to have in this godforsaken lineup. I very much disagree. Putting together a team and everyday lineup is a puzzle. And the AJ piece has NOT been replaced. NOT CLOSE. You are delusional if you think AJ is worth a 15-16 game swing in the standings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Hey wow am I sick of hearing about this. I will agree that AJ is better than Flowers as long as we never have this thread again and you guys (the vocal AJ jerks) confess that AJ would not put this team anywhere near contention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I would like to take this time to mention how right I was this offseason. Tyler Flowers is terrible. Just awful. To everyone who argued with me, I was right. You were wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 05:24 PM) There's no way that anyone who has watched this team play this year truly feels like they're a solid hitting catcher away from contending. Agreed- just one of these should do wonders offensively and defensively whilst being economical. Pierzynski was easily one of my favorite Sox of all time, but if he sticks around in 2013 (beyond...?), there's a good chance that this misery the Sox are presently going through is getting put off for no reason at all. Edited June 25, 2013 by Swingandalongonetoleft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Johnny Bench is the only guy who would have helped this team. Cutting AJ loose was the right call. Trusting Flowers to be the everyday catcher was the wrong call. The only thing that matters is finding a full-time catcher for 2014 and beyond. Not sure if Phegley is the guy or not. We won't know until he gets his crack But if he isn't, the Sox front office has some serious, serious work to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 07:12 PM) You are delusional if you think AJ is worth a 15-16 game swing in the standings In Greg's mind the formula is AJ+HAWK+OZZIE+TWTW=WS2013 Edited June 25, 2013 by southsideirish71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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