BPK Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 05:35 PM) You could put Mike Trout from last year on this team and he wouldn't have a 15 game impact. In slightly less than half a season, no less... I value what AJ contributed as much as (almost) anyone, particularly his leadership. I also recognize that Tyler Flowers is horrible at everything a catcher should do well. But given where the roster and farm system is at, keeping him was a waste of time and money. He was also coming off of a career-type year in what should be the downhill slide of his career, so betting on that production again probably wasn't smart. I miss him, but it was time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 AJ would even disagree with this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 07:19 PM) ESPN praised AJ excessively during Sunday night game. He's hitting over .300 and is doing what AJ does. Hahn or whomever who decided Flowers can play the game of baseball pretty much gets an F for that decision. Considering we are in last place with major holes in our lineup, I'd say the decision to not pony up and sign AJ was one of the KEY reasons our team is an everyday embarrassment, a last-place AL Central team. Yes, hindsight is 20/20 but these guys get paid big bucks to make decisions in the front office and the decision to let AJ go was PAINFUL. And don't say he could have signed. They didn't want him and everybody knows it. It was Flowers time and Flowers looks AWFUL (to this point). AJ is actually just what this lineup needs. Our front office frustrates me. Really???? This topic again...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 What next, Mark Buehrle would be leading us to the playoffs, since the Blue Jays are now running off that streak and even Josh Johnson finally won a game and Reyes is almost back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Safe to say, this thread wouldn't exist if AJ weren't a player on the 2005 team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 10:40 PM) Safe to say, this thread wouldn't exist if AJ weren't a player on the 2005 team. Post more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 11:44 PM) Unfortunately, I think I'm going to have to deal with the myth of AJ for the rest of my life. Is this what it feels like to be a Bears fan? But that's not the purpose of this thread. It is to blast Sox management for a horrible, horrible decision to go with Flowers, not to perpetuate the AJ legend. Hearing the ESPN announcers praise AJ and looking at his stats brought this to the surface. It pissed me off thinking of Flowers/all these unnecessary losses. QUOTE (daggins @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 12:15 AM) Hey wow am I sick of hearing about this. I will agree that AJ is better than Flowers as long as we never have this thread again and you guys (the vocal AJ jerks) confess that AJ would not put this team anywhere near contention. Fine. Don't even mention AJ. How bout a replacement for AJ that can, uh, actually catch the ball and hit the ball. QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 01:04 AM) In Greg's mind the formula is AJ+HAWK+OZZIE+TWTW=WS2013 No, I don't like the TWTW crap. The Blackhawks showed tonight they have the will to win, actually showing some heart and finishing off an opponent. Yet I'd rather call it 'heart' than a stupid line like TWTW. QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 02:23 AM) Really???? This topic again...... I don't think this topic has come up at all. I wanted to mention it because it dawned on me after watching Sunday Night baseball this was a management gaffe of HUGE proportions. QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 03:40 AM) Safe to say, this thread wouldn't exist if AJ weren't a player on the 2005 team. I don't need to live in the past for championship fever, thanks to the Blackhawks. Love those guys for winning a second Cup in the last few years!!! Edited June 25, 2013 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 01:10 AM) But that's not the purpose of this thread. It is to blast Sox management for a horrible, horrible decision to go with Flowers, not to perpetuate the AJ legend. Hearing the ESPN announcers praise AJ and looking at his stats brought this to the surface. It pissed me off thinking of Flowers/all these unnecessary losses. Fine. Don't even mention AJ. How bout a replacement for AJ that can, uh, actually catch the ball and hit the ball. No, I don't like the TWTW crap. The Blackhawks showed tonight they have the will to win, actually showing some heart and finishing off an opponent. Yet I'd rather call it 'heart' than a stupid line like TWTW. I don't think this topic has come up at all. I wanted to mention it because it dawned on me after watching Sunday Night baseball this was a management gaffe of HUGE proportions. I don't need to live in the past for championship fever, thanks to the Blackhawks. Love those guys for winning a second Cup in the last few years!!! Yeah, it's nice to see a Chicago team win it all/get within reach, and then not immediately fade into obscurity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Eventually you have to take a risk to find out what your future holds. This was the year to find out what Flowers was like. I'm sure the Pack could have held on to Favre a couple more yours but you have to take a risk and find out of the other guy is the real deal. You can't fault them for that. I doubt he would be hitting .300 in this lineup. Hitting in the Rangers lineup is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay different than hitting in this lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 02:00 AM) Yeah, it's nice to see a Chicago team win it all/get within reach, and then not immediately fade into obscurity. It wouldn't be a Chicago team otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Is AJ better than Flowers? Yes. Does Flowers seem like a bust? Yes. Would having AJ on the team this year take the Sox from 10.5 games under .500 to 4 games over .500? What the hell is wrong with you? One guy, no matter who it is, wouldn't have made much of a difference to this team. Holding on to AJ would have cost about $7 or $8 million, and the Sox might be a couple games better. Then he would have been traded at the deadline...for next to nothing. The Sox don't need to look to the past and wish they had kept AJ. They need to look to the future and figure out what to do about the catcher spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 05:15 AM) Is AJ better than Flowers? Yes. Does Flowers seem like a bust? Yes. Would having AJ on the team this year take the Sox from 10.5 games under .500 to 4 games over .500? What the hell is wrong with you? One guy, no matter who it is, wouldn't have made much of a difference to this team. Holding on to AJ would have cost about $7 or $8 million, and the Sox might be a couple games better. Then he would have been traded at the deadline...for next to nothing. The Sox don't need to look to the past and wish they had kept AJ. They need to look to the future and figure out what to do about the catcher spot. The Dodgers have Puig, Kemp (DL), Kershaw, Greinke, Ryu, Carl Crawford, Hanley Ramirez, Andre Ethier and Adrian Gonzalez and they're still 9 games under .500, and that's after winning 3 in a row. Being 3-7 games under .500 would only give us a draft pick at 12 or 13 instead of 6 or 7. Revenues produced would still be almost identical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 If AJ was the guy who coached/drilled defensive fundamentals last year, then his absence could explain 10 games in the standings, I'd buy that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 07:18 PM) I would like to take this time to mention how right I was this offseason. Tyler Flowers is terrible. Just awful. To everyone who argued with me, I was right. You were wrong Too bad they didn't resign him because 33-40 and 8.5 games back puts the Sox right in contention. Resigning AJ was not the right move, so no, I don't agree with you that you're right. If they were in 2nd and 40-33, then yeah, sure, we can have this discussion. Until then, no, you're not right, and now the Sox know that they will need to find an upgrade over Flowers. Goal accomplished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Also, the Sox should bring back Juan Uribe because he would be an upgrade on a lot of guys on the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 01:10 AM) The Blackhawks showed tonight they have the will to win, actually showing some heart and finishing off an opponent. Yet I'd rather call it 'heart' than a stupid line like TWTW. Heart translates a lot better in hockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 01:22 PM) Too bad they didn't resign him because 33-40 and 8.5 games back puts the Sox right in contention. Resigning AJ was not the right move, so no, I don't agree with you that you're right. If they were in 2nd and 40-33, then yeah, sure, we can have this discussion. Until then, no, you're not right, and now the Sox know that they will need to find an upgrade over Flowers. Goal accomplished. This was was about Flowers being terrible. I was 100% right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 08:26 AM) This was was about Flowers being terrible. I was 100% right. Congratulations. Buy yourself a cookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 09:26 AM) This was was about Flowers being terrible. I was 100% right. Would you like to make a similar prediction about Phegley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 02:45 AM) It wouldn't be a Chicago team otherwise. Except for that whole double 3-peat thing in the 90s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) lol@greg pretending to be a hardcore blackhawks fan. Only hockey you ever watched before this year were the Mighty Ducks movies. Edited June 25, 2013 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 08:47 AM) lol@greg pretending to be a hardcore blackhawks fan. Only hockey you ever watched before this year were the Mighty Ducks movies. Don't knock the Flying V, man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 02:00 AM) Yeah, it's nice to see a Chicago team win it all/get within reach, and then not immediately fade into obscurity. Unfortunately, it's the one Chicago team nobody gives a s*** about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 08:51 AM) Unfortunately, it's the one Chicago team nobody gives a s*** about. It seemed like a lot of people gave a s*** when I was watching the games and the coverage and the massive amount of people that went out last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 08:53 AM) It seemed like a lot of people gave a s*** when I was watching the games and the coverage and the massive amount of people that went out last night There's hardcores in every sport. I'm sure there's hardcore wnba fans. Hockey will never be mainstream (in America). Edited June 25, 2013 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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