Soxbadger Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 11:14 AM) This injury probably goes a long way towards proving the guy just has a disposition to the injury, and it was going to happen no matter how much rest he got. Not sure I agree with this. Rose never really had a significant injury prior to the ACL. The truly tragic part is that may have all been due to a the lockout/short season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 10:56 AM) Maybe you werent, but it sure seemed like it. And quite frankly I never thought this Bulls team would win a championship, ive wanted to trade assets for years to get a better core that made more sense. As for Thibs, no one has b****ed/moaned/complained about how he has treated players than me. So you are preaching to the choir. And thats why I was so angry, because I honestly believe that his first injury was avoidable. I think this injury shows the first injury was inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 11:31 AM) Not sure I agree with this. Rose never really had a significant injury prior to the ACL. The truly tragic part is that may have all been due to a the lockout/short season. He mised a ton of time during that season with all sorts of injuries.maybe a miracle happens and this one isn't as bad as most fear. Edited November 23, 2013 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Everything has to go right to build your team around a 6'2" PG, even one as skilled as Rose was before the injury. Tear it up and get your star asap, I don't see any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Everything has to go right to build your team around a 6'2" PG, even one as skilled as Rose was before the injury. Tear it up and get your star asap, I don't see any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 11:37 AM) Everything has to go right to build your team around a 6'2" PG, even one as skilled as Rose was before the injury. Tear it up and get your star asap, I don't see any other way. It isn't that easy to get that type of star. The Bulls were horrible a long time and couldn't draft one. The just got lucky with the lottery. The other thing that will hold it back is Rose's contract if he can't play at a high level anymore. If Rose is suddenly average to a little better, the Bulls are screwed. Edited November 23, 2013 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 11:14 AM) This injury probably goes a long way towards proving the guy just has a disposition to the injury, and it was going to happen no matter how much rest he got. For sure. ESPN had some doc come on and said that once you tear one ACL, the chances of re-tearing it or tearing the OTHER ACL go up to 1 in 30. I can't imagine what the chances are if you've torn both. So sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 11:35 AM) He mised a ton of time during that season with all sorts of injuries. Right it was the short season. They tried to rush him back and Rose was trying to play through injuries. Not a good combination. All I can do is hope that in the future other teams protect their star player and have him sit a few more games, even at the cost of losing. And Caffey, exactly. Thats why the discussion should be about whether the first injury was avoidable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 23, 2013 Author Share Posted November 23, 2013 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 11:44 AM) Right it was the short season. They tried to rush him back and Rose was trying to play through injuries. Not a good combination. All I can do is hope that in the future other teams protect their star player and have him sit a few more games, even at the cost of losing. And Caffey, exactly. Thats why the discussion should be about whether the first injury was avoidable. And for this one he had basically two years off. Rest wasn't the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Fans read too much into injuries and injury prevention, imo. We're talking about human bodies that are being monitored daily by the best minds in medicine. I don't buy in the slightest that Derrick's first injury was avoidable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Some people have bodies that just fail them. It's genetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 12:39 PM) It isn't that easy to get that type of star. The Bulls were horrible a long time and couldn't draft one. The just got lucky with the lottery. The other thing that will hold it back is Rose's contract if he can't play at a high level anymore. If Rose is suddenly average to a little better, the Bulls are screwed. Even without that, the Bulls are screwed. They're right back to not having a superstar and that's how it's going to be for the next 5 years again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 QUOTE (sircaffey @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 11:53 AM) Fans read too much into injuries and injury prevention, imo. We're talking about human bodies that are being monitored daily by the best minds in medicine. I don't buy in the slightest that Derrick's first injury was avoidable. It was avoidable in the sense that if he didn't play he wouldn't get hurt. But these were non contact injuries, so it seems to me they were most likely going to happen eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 11:56 AM) It was avoidable in the sense that if he didn't play he wouldn't get hurt. But these were non contact injuries, so it seems to me they were most likely going to happen eventually. Both were just him taking a step. It was going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 11:56 AM) It was avoidable in the sense that if he didn't play he wouldn't get hurt. But these were non contact injuries, so it seems to me they were most likely going to happen eventually. No it was in the last minute of the game and there is some science that suggests ACL injuries can be related to fatigue. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19568192 https://digital.library.txstate.edu/bitstre....pdf?sequence=2 ACL injuries continue to jeopardize the athletic careers and long term functional ability of many young athletes (McLean, 2008). Due to the nature of athletic competition it is clear that the manifestation of fatigue can lead to dysfunctional movement patterns that increase ACL injury risk. But whats done is done. Edited November 23, 2013 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 12:04 PM) No it was in the last minute of the game and there is some science that suggests ACL injuries can be related to fatigue. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19568192 https://digital.library.txstate.edu/bitstre....pdf?sequence=2 But whats done is done. His own doctor disputes that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 12:04 PM) No it was in the last minute of the game and there is some science that suggests ACL injuries can be related to fatigue. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19568192 https://digital.library.txstate.edu/bitstre....pdf?sequence=2 But whats done is done. So the key would be never to have a fatigued Rose playing. I don't know exactly how you do that in the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 12:04 PM) No it was in the last minute of the game and there is some science that suggests ACL injuries can be related to fatigue. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19568192 https://digital.library.txstate.edu/bitstre....pdf?sequence=2 But whats done is done. Sigh. This is a stupid argument. Rose played like thirty games all season prior to his ACL tear. He was well rested. Just like this new injury. He's been off for 18 months. Blaming it on Thibs or Rose's minute load is moronic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 When the hell is this MRI? I got a feeling the Bulls know it's a torn acl and are just working on a way to release the results if that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 12:20 PM) When the hell is this MRI? I got a feeling the Bulls know it's a torn acl and are just working on a way to release the results if that makes sense. Yup. Gasols is already done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyx81 Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 12:20 PM) When the hell is this MRI? I got a feeling the Bulls know it's a torn acl and are just working on a way to release the results if that makes sense. I thought the same. I'd figure he'd have his MRI this morning. What's taking so long?! According to @WojYahooNBA : DRose is a couple hours away from getting an MRI in LA Edited November 23, 2013 by Nyx81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Somewhere on the Twittersphere I read that they were thinking about sending him to Chicago to get looked at instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 I thought with acl tears you can still walk around. Sounds like Rose couldnt put any pressure on it. Im hoping its a really bad sprain and he'll just be out a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsoxsoxsox Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 01:23 PM) Somewhere on the Twittersphere I read that they were thinking about sending him to Chicago to get looked at instead ya i read that as well. surprised there's no updates what is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 QUOTE (Nyx81 @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 01:21 PM) I thought the same. I'd figure he'd have his MRI this morning. What's taking so long?! IIRC the results can be clearer if you give some time for initial swelling to go down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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