NBA Thread 2013-2014

[ptatc]

Meh. If it's possible to get back on the court, you don't say it's impossible. If everything goes swimmingly, he's ready for that Pacers game.

The tear is not a minor one. It is a significant tear. I don't really think there is much chance of him returning before 6 months. At that point, it becomes "why take the chance."

[southsider2k5]

Maybe, MAYBE, they're being smart and doing this so the tank-a-palooza option sounds better. They couldn't trade away players and tank if Rose is expected to come back with a month or two left in the season.

 

I am crossing my fingers.

[Steve9347]

The Bulls gain nothing by rushing him back. They risk everything if he gets injured again.

This post worked before he took 19 months for an ACL and got injured immediately afterwards. Now you just sound like a Rose Apologist.

 

I'm happy to say I'm a recovering Rose Apologist.

[southsider2k5]

Meh. If it's possible to get back on the court, you don't say it's impossible. If everything goes swimmingly, he's ready for that Pacers game.

 

After the way last year went, if there is even a chance he isn't coming back, you just say he isn't coming back. If he does come back, he looks all of the better.

[Steve9347]

After the way last year went, if there is even a chance he isn't coming back, you just say he isn't coming back. If he does come back, he looks all of the better.

The only reason he didn't come back is because he chose not to. He didn't want to embarrass himself by returning too early.

 

(You know, like maybe by shooting 35% and leading the league in turnovers)

 

He didn't want to play and injure himself so he took an obscene, longer-than-ever return from ACL surgery to avoid injury.

 

(You know, like maybe by getting injured anyway)

 

My name is Steve, and I'm a recovering Rose Apologist.

Edited November 25, 2013 by Steve9347

[Dick Allen]

What could the Bulls realistically get for Deng?

[Steve9347]

What could the Bulls realistically get for Deng?

2nd round pick and a contract that's just as bad.

 

Deng expires after this year - it won't make much sense to deal him unless you get an identical contract back that also expires but belongs to a worse play who comes with a pick.

Edited November 25, 2013 by Steve9347

[Jenksismyhero]

This post worked before he took 19 months for an ACL and got injured immediately afterwards. Now you just sound like a Rose Apologist.

 

I'm happy to say I'm a recovering Rose Apologist.

 

I think it's just the reality of the situation. This season is lost, why risk it? What possible benefit is there to getting him back on the court this year? You have to assume that like Chris Paul or Wade or Westbrook he'll be back to his old self in time. This isn't a career ending injury.

 

I totally agree that going forward Rose should be considered nothing more than a great PG and potential all-star. He shouldn't be THE guy that you build around. You just can't trust him to stay healthy anymore. Make him your marketing franchise player, but you better have a decent PG back-up in the event he goes down.

[Jenksismyhero]

I'll add too that I'm not sure that I buy that Thibs + scrubs = playoffs. Yes, the east is terrible, but this Bulls team even with Rose has been terrible all year. They're lucky to have a .500 record. They probably should have lost to the Knicks and Bobcats. How likely is it that Kirk stays healthy? A team led by Teague and relying on Boozer to be your main offensive weapon is going to lose a lot of games, even with good defense.

Edited November 25, 2013 by Jenksismybitch

[southsider2k5]

The only reason he didn't come back is because he chose not to. He didn't want to embarrass himself by returning too early.

 

(You know, like maybe by shooting 35% and leading the league in turnovers)

 

He didn't want to play and injure himself so he took an obscene, longer-than-ever return from ACL surgery to avoid injury.

 

(You know, like maybe by getting injured anyway)

 

My name is Steve, and I'm a recovering Rose Apologist.

 

It has nothing to do with being a Rose apologist, and everything to do with not being a stupid organization. You don't throw your superstar, no matter how stupid, under the bus.

[ZoomSlowik]

I'll add too that I'm not sure that I buy that Thibs + scrubs = playoffs. Yes, the east is terrible, but this Bulls team even with Rose has been terrible all year. They're lucky to have a .500 record. They probably should have lost to the Knicks and Bobcats. How likely is it that Kirk stays healthy? A team led by Teague and relying on Boozer to be your main offensive weapon is going to lose a lot of games, even with good defense.

 

They won 45 last year without Rose and the East is much worse. 35 wins might make the playoffs at this rate. They also won several playoff games without Rose, Deng or Hinrich. Basically everyone on the roster has to be traded or die for them to win less than 35 with how awful the league is.

[Balta1701]

They won 45 last year without Rose and the East is much worse. 35 wins might make the playoffs at this rate. They also won several playoff games without Rose, Deng or Hinrich. Basically everyone on the roster has to be traded or die for them to win less than 35 with how awful the league is.

Based on their health the last couple seasons...it might only take 1 trade for everyone on the team to be traded or dead.

[TaylorStSox]

I'm sure it will happen, but I don't want to hear Reggie Rose say a damn thing this year.

 

 

 

I'm hoping that accomplish that in this draft. Looks like the Bobcats might actually finish outside the Top 10 picks, so count that + pick you should get for Deng and you'll have 3 first rounders.

 

 

 

Hopefully they get that in this draft + trades + Nikola.

 

Next year could theoretically have 4 rookies, lesser Rose, and Noah. It'll be a struggle.

 

My ideal scenario:

 

Trade Boozer and the Bobcats pick restrictions to the Bobcats for Gordon and their pick this year. Deng for Ariza and Wizards pick. Make it a three team deal if you need filler. Trade Kirk, Dunleavy and James for second rounders.

 

Going into offseason:

 

PG: Rose (+), Teague

SG: Butler, Snell

SF :

PF : Taj, Nikola

C : Noah

 

Using the three firsts that you should have (Bulls, Bobcats, and Deng pick) hope that the Bulls are bad enough to get Jabari before Utah (another Chicago miracle lottery win?), Cauley-Stein/McCary, and Gary Harris. If Jabari is gone, bring in Exum and move Jimmy to SF. Use the 2nd rounders + Deng 1st to move up to ensure Harris or Cauley-Stein.

 

Sign Kirk in the offseason and BG if he shows anything when he is here. All falls perfectly into place and...

 

PG: Rose (+), Hinrich, Teague

SG: Butler, Harris, Gordon

SF: Jabari, Snell

PF: Nikola, Taj, Murphy

C : Noah, Cauley-Stein

 

(Unreasonable hope for a young, athletic and talented roster like this is the only thing keeping me from drinking right now. f*** Reggie Rose.)

 

Are you trying to build the worst defensive team in the history if basketball? That's brutal. Gordon, Rose, Parker and Mirotic? I could score on that team.

 

[Jordan4life_2007]

They won 45 last year without Rose and the East is much worse. 35 wins might make the playoffs at this rate. They also won several playoff games without Rose, Deng or Hinrich. Basically everyone on the roster has to be traded or die for them to win less than 35 with how awful the league is.

 

Not the league. The east. The Bulls wouldn't win 20 games out west with this current roster.

[Jenksismyhero]

They won 45 last year without Rose and the East is much worse. 35 wins might make the playoffs at this rate. They also won several playoff games without Rose, Deng or Hinrich. Basically everyone on the roster has to be traded or die for them to win less than 35 with how awful the league is.

 

Probably true, but Nate and Belinelli played huge roles on those teams. Nate won games single handedly. I don't see how the current team scores points unless Boozer and Deng go off. Kirk has never been a great scorer, Noah has never been a scorer at all, and anyone off the bench is going to require a set up before getting a shot.

 

Chances are about 100% that Kirk suffers some kind of injury, so you're left with Teague or James running the offense both in primary and back-up roles. What little we've seen of Teague proves that he's a d-leaguer at best. He's nowhere close to being ready to play. James showed flashes last time he was on the roster, but he probably lost a step if he's behind Teague in the rotation.

 

I also think mentally this team is taxed. Last year they played with the hope that Rose would come back and lead them in the playoffs. Now we know a few weeks into the season that's not going to happen. Are they going to have the same fight in them to care about these games? Especially since half the roster knows they won't be on the team later this season or next season?

 

 

[bmags]

Here's the problem, about 10 teams (most in east) are going to really stop giving a damn in feb-april. The Bulls with Thibs will never stop caring. So we may be an awful team that suddenly has a surging second half that puts us in at 7 or 8 seed.

[RockRaines]

Probably true, but Nate and Belinelli played huge roles on those teams. Nate won games single handedly. I don't see how the current team scores points unless Boozer and Deng go off. Kirk has never been a great scorer, Noah has never been a scorer at all, and anyone off the bench is going to require a set up before getting a shot.

 

Chances are about 100% that Kirk suffers some kind of injury, so you're left with Teague or James running the offense both in primary and back-up roles. What little we've seen of Teague proves that he's a d-leaguer at best. He's nowhere close to being ready to play. James showed flashes last time he was on the roster, but he probably lost a step if he's behind Teague in the rotation.

 

I also think mentally this team is taxed. Last year they played with the hope that Rose would come back and lead them in the playoffs. Now we know a few weeks into the season that's not going to happen. Are they going to have the same fight in them to care about these games? Especially since half the roster knows they won't be on the team later this season or next season?

So true.

[Kyyle23]

Here's the problem, about 10 teams (most in east) are going to really stop giving a damn in feb-april. The Bulls with Thibs will never stop caring. So we may be an awful team that suddenly has a surging second half that puts us in at 7 or 8 seed.

 

i dont even think they will need a surge, I think they will just hang around at the 7-8 seed all season.

 

Unless ALL of the toys are removed from the toybox

[Steve9347]

Probably true, but Nate and Belinelli played huge roles on those teams. Nate won games single handedly.

He also lost them single-handedly.

[pettie4sox]

He also lost them single-handedly.

 

What? I'll have what you're having Steve.

[bmags]

i dont even think they will need a surge, I think they will just hang around at the 7-8 seed all season.

 

Unless ALL of the toys are removed from the toybox

 

I'm just thinking of those 07-08 teams that would be 10 under .500 at all star break and then sneak into 7th or 8th seed second half with 37 wins.

[Rowand44]

What? I'll have what you're having Steve.

He absolutely lost games single handedly. Because of the roster situation last year, he was definitely more of an asset than I thought he could ever be but he still had his moments where he killed the team.

[Jake]

The reason I like having Thibs around for whatever period of time we're retooling is that I think he is a guy that will legitimately make young players and others better. The kids we draft, people picked up off the scrap heap, etc. should become better basketball players by playing for Thibs.

[Kyyle23]

K.C. Johnson (KCJHoop):

Bulls having walkthrough. Hearing Tony Snell starting to keep Dunleavy/Hinrich off bench together is on table.

 

 

[bmags]

Tank mode!!!