justBLAZE Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I hear you DA. Just to make it clear, there is no way Bulls are are going after any of the big FA's in summer of 2014, simply because they won't have the cap room correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 QUOTE (Knuckles @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 08:25 PM) I hear you DA. Just to make it clear, there is no way Bulls are are going after any of the big FA's in summer of 2014, simply because they won't have the cap room correct? If they let Deng walk and used the amnesty on Boozer, they'd have around $10 mil to work with. However, around half of that would go to Mirotic if he joins the NBA. You're not getting much for $5 million. If Mirotic doesn't sign, they might be able to bargain shop (guys like Millsap and Martin signed for under $10 mil last year). It'd be even harder because many of the top guys (the Heat trio, Melo, Dirk, Gay, Gasol, Randolph) could make $20 mil plus instead of the "new" max around $15 mil. The only way they can get significantly over $10 mil is if they traded Rose, Noah or Gibson for an expiring deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 08:42 PM) If they let Deng walk and used the amnesty on Boozer, they'd have around $10 mil to work with. However, around half of that would go to Mirotic if he joins the NBA. You're not getting much for $5 million. If Mirotic doesn't sign, they might be able to bargain shop (guys like Millsap and Martin signed for under $10 mil last year). It'd be even harder because many of the top guys (the Heat trio, Melo, Dirk, Gay, Gasol, Randolph) could make $20 mil plus instead of the "new" max around $15 mil. The only way they can get significantly over $10 mil is if they traded Rose, Noah or Gibson for an expiring deal. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 09:42 PM) The only way they can get significantly over $10 mil is if they traded Rose, Noah or Gibson for an expiring deal. Which suddenly sounds like a fairly good idea if it can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 09:18 PM) Which suddenly sounds like a fairly good idea if it can be done. Eh. No one is trading for Rose right now, and it would take some pretty significant pick value to trade Noah for an expiring. Gibson maybe, though I doubt they do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Current NBA "superstar" caliber players (either are now or once were) and where they were drafted: LBJ - 1st, 2003 (high school) Derrick Rose - 1st, 2008 Kevin Durant - 2nd, 2007 Kobe Bryant - 13th, 1996 (high school) Chris Paul - 4th, 2005 Dwight Howard - 1st, 2004 (high school) Carmelo Anthony - 3rd, 2003 Dirk Nowitzki - 9th, 1998 Tim Duncan - 1st, 1997 Dwyane Wade - 5th, 2003 Kevin Love - 5th, 2008 James Harden - 3rd, 2009 Stephen Curry - 7th, 2009 Deron Williams - 3rd, 2005 Russell Westbrook - 4th pick, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 01:42 PM) If they let Deng walk and used the amnesty on Boozer, they'd have around $10 mil to work with. However, around half of that would go to Mirotic if he joins the NBA. You're not getting much for $5 million. If Mirotic doesn't sign, they might be able to bargain shop (guys like Millsap and Martin signed for under $10 mil last year). It'd be even harder because many of the top guys (the Heat trio, Melo, Dirk, Gay, Gasol, Randolph) could make $20 mil plus instead of the "new" max around $15 mil. The only way they can get significantly over $10 mil is if they traded Rose, Noah or Gibson for an expiring deal. Let me throw out Jameer Nelson's name as a discussion point. Hennigan basically wants a future 1st round pick for him. He's got $8M on his contract for next season but only $2M of that would be guaranteed. I think that's the sort of contract Chicago would have to look at if they were to trade for expiring assets, so to speak. There's no chance anyone's going to give up a Lottery Pick in this season's draft also. I think unfortunately for the Bulls, Gibson's contract is the one that's going to come back to hurt them in terms of real cap flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 10:27 PM) Eh. No one is trading for Rose right now, and it would take some pretty significant pick value to trade Noah for an expiring. Gibson maybe, though I doubt they do it. I'd very much consider trading Noah for an expiring contract and a first rounder at this point. Maybe it'd take 2 first rounders but that's a move they should absolutely consider. With his health history, age, and contract, he only makes sense to the Bulls if they're looking at a loaded team next year, which right now no longer looks to be the case. But...you put him on a team that needs defense and rebounding and that's a major upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 11:20 PM) Current NBA "superstar" caliber players (either are now or once were) and where they were drafted: LBJ - 1st, 2003 (high school) Derrick Rose - 1st, 2008 Kevin Durant - 2nd, 2007 Kobe Bryant - 13th, 1996 (high school) Chris Paul - 4th, 2005 Dwight Howard - 1st, 2004 (high school) Carmelo Anthony - 3rd, 2003 Dirk Nowitzki - 9th, 1998 Tim Duncan - 1st, 1997 Dwyane Wade - 5th, 2003 Kevin Love - 5th, 2008 James Harden - 3rd, 2009 Stephen Curry - 7th, 2009 Deron Williams - 3rd, 2005 Russell Westbrook - 4th pick, 2008 Anthony Davis - 1st pick, 2012 fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 There is not enough Norris Cole on that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 09:07 AM) There is not enough Norris Cole on that list. Norris Cole says get off me, homeboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Anything but the "rings=good player" argument. Otherwise greg is right, we should bring back all of the 05 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 10:19 AM) Anything but the "rings=good player" argument. Otherwise greg is right, we should bring back all of the 05 team. lol. Your Heat hate is troubling. It's called A f***ING JOKE! Edited November 27, 2013 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 10:26 AM) lol. Your Heat hate is troubling. It's called A f***ING JOKE! With some of the posts that get made, I never can tell honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 09:14 AM) Norris Cole says get off me, homeboy. Sure would be nice if the Bulls had been able to keep that pick, Derrick Rose would have looked good backing him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 09:06 AM) fixed Probably getting to the point where we can put Paul George up there as well as good as he is on both sides of the court. He was the 10th overall pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 11:08 AM) Probably getting to the point where we can put Paul George up there as well as good as he is on both sides of the court. He was the 10th overall pick. Good one. I would add Kyrie Irving but that team has to start winning some games at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I don't understand these people saying to hang onto Deng. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 01:41 PM) I don't understand these people saying to hang onto Deng. Mediocre shooter? Check Below average ball-handler? Check Wants a pay raise even though he's still got a bum wrist that he wont get surgery on, a consistent injury history, and has never been anything more than solid/good? Check BUT THIBS LOVES HIM!!! HE PLAYS HARD!!! Edited November 27, 2013 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 02:20 PM) Mediocre shooter? Check Below average ball-handler? Check Wants a pay raise even though he's still got a bum wrist that he wont get surgery on, a consistent injury history, and has never been anything more than solid/good. BUT THIBS LOVES HIM!!! HE PLAYS HARD!!! He's a good player worthy of an 8 digit annual salary, but the Bulls should not be that team. If they didn't already have Kawhi Leonard, I'd say he fits the Spurs system. Leonard is such a monster though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 02:22 PM) He's a good player worthy of an 8 digit annual salary, but the Bulls should not be that team. If they didn't already have Kawhi Leonard, I'd say he fits the Spurs system. Leonard is such a monster though. Of course he's a good player. He's just not a 13-15 million dollar a year player. Never has been. Look at what Andre Iguodala signed for: 4 years at 12 million per. And Iggy is superior player all the way around. If some team (better not be the Bulls) offers him 4/40, he should take it and like it. That's about what a player of his caliber is worth. Edited November 27, 2013 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 02:30 PM) Of course he's a good player. He's just not a 13-15 million dollar a year player. Never has been. Look at what Andre Iguodala signed for: 4 years at 12 million per. And Iggy is superior player all the way around. If some team (better not be the Bulls) offers him 4/40, he should take it and like it. That's about what a player of his caliber is worth. Add to that the insane minutes he's played under Skiles, the coach that shall not be named, and Thibs, and Deng is headed directly for a wall. His next contract will definitely be a disaster, and if it's with the Bulls I'll kill myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Apparently the Cavs are begging the Bulls to take Dion Waiters for Luol Deng. This according to Chris Broussard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ZoomSlowik Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 01:41 PM) I don't understand these people saying to hang onto Deng. I don't recall seeing anyone explicitly say we should keep Deng. I know I said deal hi m right after Derrick got hurt. No real point in keeping him since he's probably gone after this year anyways. Only way I'd keep him is if he signed for around 8 mil. Even then, trading him could bring better value. If Marcin Gortat can net a first, I would think Deng can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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