NBA Thread 2013-2014

[Soxbadger]

It seems to me like this is the format they've been trying to follow the last year+.

 

And I think the problem people have is the fact that it seems the Bulls cheap out on getting those players. IE last year not going harder for OJ Mayo who could have filled the shot creator role

 

Whether or not Mayo would be worth it, who knows, but it never seems that the Bulls go out and get the TOP guy, they always seem to settle for the middle.

 

In this thread, Mike Dunleavy can't shoot

 

How many strawmen are you going to create?

 

Someone said Dunleavy is better than Kerr, Kerr is one of the most accurate 3 point shooters in history.

 

Thats not saying Dunleavy cant shoot, its saying that Kerr is factually a better shooter, same with Hodges.

 

You do realize that Dunleavy's top percentage in any year was last year 42.8% and he has only shot above 40%, 3 times.

 

Hodges career is 40%, and he shot above 40% 6 times (almost 50% of the years he played) and lead the league 2x.

 

Kerr's career is 45%, he shot above 40% 11 times (over 50% of the years he played) and lead the league 2x in 3point percentage.

 

So yeah, I stand by my statement that Dunleavy is not as good of 3 point shooter as Kerr or Hodges.

 

/shrugs

[Jordan4life_2007]

Problem with that is Kerr and Hodges would be defensive liabilities of epic proportions. This ain't 1992.

[bmags]

I hate OJ Mayo. OJ Mayo is one of those weird soxtalk loves like Rudy Fernandez.

[Soxbadger]

They have not had #2 with Rose. #1 has never really been a problem though. You hope Jimmy Buckets can at least resemble that guy, but Hinrich, Snell, and Teague don't inspire a lot of confidence in that regard.

 

Korver fell apart against the Heat, that was a pretty significant problem. He was 4 for 14, sub 30%. Game 2 he went 1-5 and the Heat were able to start really focusing on Rose.

[Soxbadger]

Problem with that is Kerr and Hodges would be defensive liabilities of epic proportions. This ain't 1992.

 

So is Ray Allen...

 

Good coaches figure out a way to hide a guy on defense to help on offense.

 

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And honestly the last thing im worried about with Thibs is finding a way to have a guy defend..

Edited July 3, 2013 by Soxbadger

[Jake]

Saying we lack a sharpshooter is false. Whether Dunleavy is Kerr is another question -- though I'm not convinced that looking at the raw 3P% is all that useful. Dunleavy = sharpshooter. He has filled a role that we really need.

 

I hate OJ Mayo. OJ Mayo is one of those weird soxtalk loves like Rudy Fernandez.

 

Agree. I wouldn't mind seeing him on the Bulls, but I wouldn't move heaven and earth to do so. Saw plenty of him in Memphis

[ZoomSlowik]

I'm not as worried about finding a 2-guard since Butler looks like he'll be at least serviceable. He showed some ability to get to the line and hit a solid % of 3's this year (albiet on limited attempts). I'm not putting him in the All-Star game, but if he can get to the low-teens (which I think he can), that'll help a lot.

 

 

[Jordan4life_2007]

So is Ray Allen...

 

Good coaches figure out a way to hide a guy on defense to help on offense.

 

(edit)

 

And honestly the last thing im worried about with Thibs is finding a way to have a guy defend..

 

lol. Get out of here. Ray Allen is prime Bruce Bowen compared to those two. There would be no way to hide Kerr and Hodges lack of size, speed, athleticism in 2013. I don't have a problem with Dunleavy. He can shoot and he's got size and length to go with that.

[bmags]

Taj Gibson wasn't an "expiring contract", he was a guy still on a rookie deal that was due an extension. He offered zero value for clearing money off your ledger since his salary was still only $2.15 million. He doesn't really count as "cheap talent" either since he was due an extension that was signed/announced 3 days after the Harden trade.

 

Mirotic and the 'Cats pick are both pieces that are a fair amount down the road, and there's no guarantee that Mirotic would even sign with OKC. It also would have been problematic for them since they'd have to stay under the tax in order to bring him over.

 

Neither of those pieces would be available to the Thunder until at least 2014/15. That doesn't have as much value as a 2012 lottery pick that was already on your roster and a 2013 lottery pick.

 

Neither of us have any idea as to whether or not the Deng Warriors deal was even on the table. I seriously doubt it was, though I can't prove it.

 

I think Mirotic is valuable as an asset that you aren't paying for, however. That's where 3 team deals come from. The bulls had assets that may not have been perfect for OKC but may have worked for other teams. Sometimes 4 teams get involved. Last year for instance, Dwight Howard was traded to Lakers despite them not having the pieces Orlando wanted.

 

This doesn't really prove that bulls couldn't have gotten Harden. Maybe not straight up they couldn't have, but I can say with 100% certainty bulls probably never called despite that being a GREAT compliment to Rose. Maybe our offer loses but you at least try and work a deal or bring in a 3rd team. That stuff leaks out, we would have heard Bulls tried.

 

And as per this:

Neither of us have any idea as to whether or not the Deng Warriors deal was even on the table. I seriously doubt it was, though I can't prove it.

 

I agree it wasn't on the table because I doubt the Bulls called.

[bmags]

Saying we lack a sharpshooter is false. Whether Dunleavy is Kerr is another question -- though I'm not convinced that looking at the raw 3P% is all that useful. Dunleavy = sharpshooter. He has filled a role that we really need.

 

 

 

Agree. I wouldn't mind seeing him on the Bulls, but I wouldn't move heaven and earth to do so. Saw plenty of him in Memphis

 

We don't lack a sharpshooter we lack general 3pt shooting. We had Korver, but when you only have one, it's easy to neutralize that. YOu have to have f'd up on defense to leave him open. We really need Butler and Rose to start hitting higher 3pt percentages.

[ZoomSlowik]

but I can say with 100% certainty bulls probably never called

 

What does this even mean?

[bmags]

What does this even mean?

 

Guess.

[witesoxfan]

Just yesterday, the Suns got Eric Bledsoe and the expiring contract of Caron Butler, and all they gave up was Jared Dudley. Dudley's a solid player, but jesus, come on. The Clippers were happy to get Dudley and Reddick back for their valuable assets. Milwaukee just wanted to get something for Reddick, and they got 2 draft picks.

 

Each team gave up drastically different amounts, and while the Bucks end up with the short end of the stick, it's better to wind up with something rather than nothing.

[Soxbadger]

lol. Get out of here. Ray Allen is prime Bruce Bowen compared to those two. There would be no way to hide Kerr and Hodges lack of size, speed, athleticism in 2013. I don't have a problem with Dunleavy. He can shoot and he's got size and length to go with that.

 

lol

 

Sometimes its as if youve never watched basketball.

 

Steve Kerr at 45% from 3 is going to be playing in the NBA today, tomorrow and in the future. Im not even sure you ever saw Steve Kerr play.

[Jordan4life_2007]

lol

 

Sometimes its as if youve never watched basketball.

 

Steve Kerr at 45% from 3 is going to be playing in the NBA today, tomorrow and in the future. Im not even sure you ever saw Steve Kerr play.

 

I didn't say he couldn't play. I said he'd be a liability defensively.

[Soxbadger]

We don't lack a sharpshooter we lack general 3pt shooting. We had Korver, but when you only have one, it's easy to neutralize that. YOu have to have f'd up on defense to leave him open. We really need Butler and Rose to start hitting higher 3pt percentages.

 

If this could happen then Dunleavy would be enough, but right now Im not counting on Rose/Butler to be great shooters.

 

 

[ZoomSlowik]

Guess.

 

I can't because I don't know how someone can be "100% certain" that something "probably" didn't happen.

 

Apparently your opinion is that Gar Foreman spends all day looking at porn. I'm not going to kill him over not completing a deal when they didn't have the assets to do it.

[Soxbadger]

I didn't say he couldn't play. I said he'd be a liability defensively.

 

And I said that a good coach would figure out how to make up for that so they can get a 45% shooter on the floor.

 

The last thing I worry about with the Bulls is if they are going to be good on defense, so Id gladly take a great offensive guy and hope that Thibs and co can make it work defensively, than getting defensive guys and hoping that they magically can shoot well.

 

 

[bmags]

I can't because I don't know how someone can be "100% certain" that something "probably" didn't happen.

 

Apparently your opinion is that Gar Foreman spends all day looking at porn. I'm not going to kill him over not completing a deal when they didn't have the assets to do it.

 

Cute! No I think he spends all day undermining his coach and star player.

[Balta1701]

And I said that a good coach would figure out how to make up for that so they can get a 45% shooter on the floor.

 

The last thing I worry about with the Bulls is if they are going to be good on defense, so Id gladly take a great offensive guy and hope that Thibs and co can make it work defensively, than getting defensive guys and hoping that they magically can shoot well.

I know the fact that he didn't shoot well that series was sort of the icing on the cake, but the Bulls offense was, IIRC, much more effective when Korver was on the floor in 2011, particularly against the Heat, but their defense was also quite a bit worse. With Wade on the opponent's roster there was just no way they could keep him out there consistently for long stretches without it becoming a serious liability.

[Balta1701]

Cute! No I think he spends all day undermining his coach and star player.

If his star player didn't want to be undermined he shouldn't have needed 2x as long in-between games as guys in the NFL need for the same injury.

[Soxbadger]

So youre saying him watching porn all day would be an improvement for the Bulls...

[bmags]

If his star player didn't want to be undermined he shouldn't have needed 2x as long in-between games as guys in the NFL need for the same injury.

 

Well, luckily for you Gar Forman planned for that and signed Kirk Hinrich to a 2 year deal!

[Soxbadger]

I know the fact that he didn't shoot well that series was sort of the icing on the cake, but the Bulls offense was, IIRC, much more effective when Korver was on the floor in 2011, particularly against the Heat, but their defense was also quite a bit worse. With Wade on the opponent's roster there was just no way they could keep him out there consistently for long stretches without it becoming a serious liability.

 

And that is why coaches are paid millions of dollars. They have to figure out a way to balance it and make it work.

 

Against 90-99% of the teams the Bulls can just out defense them and win. Against the Heat/Thunder, they are going to be nights where they have to score points too. To get to the next level the Bulls are going to have to find a way against those teams to score 90-100 points because you cant shut them down every night.

 

[bmags]

I am probably in minority but I preferred Belli over Korver because of his ability to pick up dribble and drive. It was just too pathetic when Korver tried to get a layup.