NBA Thread 2013-2014

[Balta1701]

The Chicago Bulls also were very interested in Ellis, but couldn’t figure out a way to swing a deal with Milwaukee without giving up one of their core pieces, including forward Taj Gibson.

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[Jordan4life_2007]

The Chicago Bulls also were very interested in Ellis, but couldn’t figure out a way to swing a deal with Milwaukee without giving up one of their core pieces, including forward Taj Gibson.

 

lol. Typical Chicago Bulls.

 

The Bulls are convinced a return to health from their key players, notably 2011 league MVP Derrick Rose, will get them back to the top of the Eastern Conference next season.

 

lmao. I knew this would be the thinking. What vision! Oh well. I guess we can keep poppin' in the old 90's VHS tapes while LeBron gobbles up every ring in site.

 

[Steve9347]

Oh goodness. Monta. F*ck sentences.

 

Without rock, worthless. Needs ball. Wants ball. Won't work. Is a bulk three point shooter. Bad percentage.

 

Gets to rim. Only reason to look. Let Knicks have. No thx. Can't afford anyway.

Here is what I said 9 days ago.

[witesoxfan]

lol. Typical Chicago Bulls.

 

 

 

lmao. I knew this would be the thinking. What vision! Oh well. I guess we can keep poppin' in the old 90's VHS tapes while LeBron gobbles up every ring in site.

 

So you are saying all the single ladies DID have a ring on it, but LeBron ate them.

[Balta1701]

lol. Typical Chicago Bulls.

You'd actually give up Gibson for Ellis?

[Steve9347]

I'd be ok with dealing Boozer and like a 2nd round pick for Ellis just to have a scoring option to take the pressure off of Rose (and to also be rid of Boozer).

 

A roster with both Boozer and Ellis would be the worst of all-time. Ellis is a horrible fit, I can't believe the Bulls were entertaining the idea of him when they could scoop a true gunner if they really wanted to for crying out loud.

[Balta1701]

I'd be ok with dealing Boozer and like a 2nd round pick for Ellis just to have a scoring option to take the pressure off of Rose (and to also be rid of Boozer).

 

A roster with both Boozer and Ellis would be the worst of all-time. Ellis is a horrible fit, I can't believe the Bulls were entertaining the idea of him when they could scoop a true gunner if they really wanted to for crying out loud.

I'd have been ok with something like that too, but no idea why the Bucks would want Boozer.

[Jordan4life_2007]

You'd actually give up Gibson for Ellis?

 

I don't know what exact deals were on the table. But failing to get something done because "they didn't want to mess with the core" has been the auto-excuse since 2007.

[Balta1701]

I don't know what exact deals were on the table. But failing to get something done because "they didn't want to mess with the core" has been the auto-excuse since 2007.

And "They should get something done even though every deal on the table makes no sense rabble rabble rabble" is the criticism I hate the most.

[Jordan4life_2007]

And "They should get something done even though every deal on the table makes no sense rabble rabble rabble" is the criticism I hate the most.

 

And like I've said, be satisfied being the 90's Pacers with the modern day George Karl as your head coach. Because apparently no deal has made since for the Bulls for 6 years now.

[Balta1701]

And like I've said, be satisfied being the 90's Pacers with the modern day George Karl as your head coach. Because apparently no deal has made since for the Bulls for 6 years now.

I'd rather be the 90's pacers than the 2000's knicks making nonsense trades just to make them.

[Boogua]

And like I've said, be satisfied being the 90's Pacers with the modern day George Karl as your head coach. Because apparently no deal has made since for the Bulls for 6 years now.

They've been healthy for two years in the regular season under Thibs. They got the one seed both times. They made it to the conference finals in his first season with a pretty young core and no shooting guard. I really don't know how you can come to the conclusion that the Bulls will never win because they lost in Thibs' FIRST season as head coach in the conference finals and then Rose tore his ACL.

Edited July 10, 2013 by Boogua

[pettie4sox]

They've been healthy for two years in the regular season under Thibs. They got the one seed both times. They made it to the conference finals in his first season with a pretty young core and no shooting guard. I really don't know how you can come to the conclusion that the Bulls will never win because they lost in Thibs' FIRST season as head coach in the conference finals and then Rose tore his ACL.

 

J4L logic. You just have to be on his level...

[Steve9347]

I'd have been ok with something like that too, but no idea why the Bucks would want Boozer.

Which is why the Bulls wasting their time on talking Monta was so stupid.

[Chisoxfn]

Or LaMarcus Aldridge, or Kevin Garnett, or Kobe Bryant, or Pau Gasol or 2000 FA or 2010 FA. I'm getting sleepy just thinking about the Bulls post-98. This is a terrible organization that lucked into the lotto one year and is too incompetent to take advantage. #butweplayhard

They aren't terrible. They are a good organization, however, have failed to capitalize. Clearly they have built one of the better rosters in the league. However, Gar has shown a complete inability to get a major move done. Paxson/Gar have both shown a good eye for talent, Paxson was the superior GM though as he was able to accomplish a lot and make some relatively major moves during his tenure.

[Jake]

Good God, giving Monta Ellis fairly big, long-term money would have been a horrible move for this franchise. At least as we're constructed now, they have the opportunity to basically press the reset button after the season. Monta locks you into salary hell without making you any better.

[Jerksticks]

They've been healthy for two years in the regular season under Thibs. They got the one seed both times. They made it to the conference finals in his first season with a pretty young core and no shooting guard. I really don't know how you can come to the conclusion that the Bulls will never win because they lost in Thibs' FIRST season as head coach in the conference finals and then Rose tore his ACL.

 

Does anybody think Rose can come back as a better player and stay healthy? I wonder what the FO thinks. Because if they do they should do everything in their power to upgrade Boozer and back up Jo. Title. BAM

 

If not then shiiiiiiiiiit, I dunno.

[Kyyle23]

Does anybody think Rose can come back as a better player and stay healthy? I wonder what the FO thinks. Because if they do they should do everything in their power to upgrade Boozer and back up Jo. Title. BAM

 

If not then shiiiiiiiiiit, I dunno.

 

The bulls have to think he will be at the very least as good as he was.

[jenksycat]

They aren't terrible. They are a good organization, however, have failed to capitalize. Clearly they have built one of the better rosters in the league. However, Gar has shown a complete inability to get a major move done. Paxson/Gar have both shown a good eye for talent, Paxson was the superior GM though as he was able to accomplish a lot and make some relatively major moves during his tenure.

 

What "major move" was available to us in the last couple years during the Rose era that wouldn't have involved gutting the entire team except Rose?

 

Harden?

Joe Johnson?

Dwight Howard?

Carmelo?

We had no chance at LBJ/Wade/Bosh.

 

I'm all for holding the FO to task over not making moves, but what are these mythical major moves that they could have made the last few years? Getting Garnet/Pau would have been pointless on a pre-Rose team.

[ZoomSlowik]

It's starting to look like Monta and AK47 made a major mistake by opting out. There's very little cap space left out there to get the kind of deals they're looking for. Monta's was especially dumb because the Bucks offered him 3-35 (his option plus a 2-24 extension) before he hit the market. But he thinks he's Dwyane Wade (seriously, look it up) so he deserved a max. I suppose it's possible one of those guys still eeks out a decent deal, but it's looking more likely that they might have to settle for something closer to the MLE than 8 figures.

[ZoomSlowik]

What "major move" was available to us in the last couple years during the Rose era that wouldn't have involved gutting the entire team except Rose?

 

Harden?

Joe Johnson?

Dwight Howard?

Carmelo?

We had no chance at LBJ/Wade/Bosh.

 

I'm all for holding the FO to task over not making moves, but what are these mythical major moves that they could have made the last few years? Getting Garnet/Pau would have been pointless on a pre-Rose team.

 

KG/Pau they definitely should have done something there. Those guys were both better than anything currently available. It might not have put them over the top, but it clearly would have made them better, probably taking them from a 45-50 win team to a 50-55 win team depending on the exact deal.

 

To be fair, they supposedly tried on KG. I forget the exact deal, but supposedly the Bulls offered something big and got turned down a year or two before he was actually traded, so maybe that wouldn't have worked (something like Chandler and the Tyrus and Noah picks). The Pau deal was a joke, but it sounded like they traded him before really evaluating the market (I seem to remember a ton of GM's bewildered at the trade and how little he went for). You can blame the Bulls there, but the same is true for a lot of teams.

 

Dwight and Melo are moot because they weren't signing here (at least that was the situation at the time). OKC moved Harden a year too early for the Bulls. Had they made a decision THIS off-season (which would have been smarter, he was still cheap last year and he'd be a restricted FA this year), the Bulls would be in a much better position with Butler looking like a serviceable piece and Deng having an expiring deal now. Then again, they might have had to pay the tax for a year, which seems to be a deal-breaker for them...

Edited July 10, 2013 by ZoomSlowik

[bmags]

Looking at what happened this off-season I wonder what the market could be for Boozer next offseason if he:

1) Stays healthy

2) Averages 15-10

[Dick Allen]

KG/Pau they definitely should have done something there. Those guys were both better than anything currently available. It might not have put them over the top, but it clearly would have made them better, probably taking them from a 45-50 win team to a 50-55 win team depending on the exact deal.

 

To be fair, they supposedly tried on KG. I forget the exact deal, but supposedly the Bulls offered something big and got turned down a year or two before he was actually traded, so maybe that wouldn't have worked (something like Chandler and the Tyrus and Noah picks). The Pau deal was a joke, but it sounded like they traded him before really evaluating the market (I seem to remember a ton of GM's bewildered at the trade and how little he went for). You can blame the Bulls there, but the same is true for a lot of teams.

 

Dwight and Melo are moot because they weren't signing here (at least that was the situation at the time). OKC moved Harden a year too early for the Bulls. Had they made a decision THIS off-season (which would have been smarter, he was still cheap last year and he'd be a restricted FA this year), the Bulls would be in a much better position with Butler looking like a serviceable piece and Deng having an expiring deal now. Then again, they might have had to pay the tax for a year, which seems to be a deal-breaker for them...

If they would have picked up KG or Pau, I'm thinking they probably don't get Rose or win a title anyway.

 

Kind of like when they lost the coin flip and wound up with David Greenwood instead of Magic. It did eventually lead to MJ.

[Balta1701]

Looking at what happened this off-season I wonder what the market could be for Boozer next offseason if he:

1) Stays healthy

2) Averages 15-10

When the Bulls amnesty him I imagine he'll get about the MLE.

[ZoomSlowik]

If they would have picked up KG or Pau, I'm thinking they probably don't get Rose or win a title anyway.

 

Kind of like when they lost the coin flip and wound up with David Greenwood instead of Magic. It did eventually lead to MJ.

 

It's impossible to predict because every event would unfold differently. They don't get Rose, but there could have been other opportunities to add a big time player. Maybe if the Bulls get Pau, Kobe throws a bigger fit in LA and actually gets traded for that deal centered around Deng. Maybe we have better luck in free agency in 2010 with a bit more name recognition on the roster. Maybe Melo wants to come here if there's a stud big man on the roster. Who knows what would have happened.