bmags Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 03:17 PM) If they did that, it would be a incredibly wrong and misguided assumption on their part. The Spurs roster is so much better than the Bulls it isnt even funny. According to our favorite Cowley, the front office is going to go balls to the wall to make this roster better for next season I missed this, Kyle. You are right: http://www.blogabull.com/2014/6/16/5814340...-and-aggressive While I'll believe it when I see it, this is the great news. I'd much rather hear this than the nothing we are used to. I just hope it leads to action. Frankly, the window is closing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2014 Author Share Posted June 16, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 10:24 AM) Chris Bosh would be a 20 PPG scorer with excellent efficiency on just about any other team. He also won't kill you defensively at the 4. He would instantly be the Bulls second most talented player, assuming Derrick Rose is actually healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 04:43 AM) http://sports.yahoo.com/news/despite-disap...-071421653.html Cleveland, the Bulls, Houston, Phoenix, Dallas and the LA Clippers are the logical other options, but LA won't have the cap room next year. With Cleveland, he has that history to answer (about his departure and The Decision show) the Bulls, the comparisons to Jordan and questions whether Rose will ever be 100% again...Houston, whether he could co-exist with Dwight Howard and whether Howard's career can be resurrected and then Phoenix/Dallas weren't even playoff teams, so they'd have to add additional talent to make a go at attracting James. This wouldn't surprise me one bit. Thibs is the next best thing to Pop and he saw first hand what a great coach can do. If I was him, playing for Thibs would be my first choice. It's gonna be a real interesting offseason that's for sure. I'll join the "This FO sucks" bandwagon if they don't manage to grab Melo/Love/James/Bosh. Edited June 16, 2014 by scs787 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 10:38 AM) This wouldn't surprise me one bit. Thibs is the next best thing to Pop and he saw first hand what a great coach can do. If I was him, playing for Thibs would be my first choice. It's gonna be a real interesting offseason that's for sure. I'll join the "This FO sucks" bandwagon if they don't manage to grab Melo/Love/James/Bosh. Pop is a lot better than anyone else, there is really no reason to even compare the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 04:54 PM) Pop is a lot better than anyone else, there is really no reason to even compare the two. This is true, but looking at how Pop transformed the team from great d/slow possession team to this iteration makes me hopeful that Thibs can evolve as well. He has the work ethic to do it, and showed by bringing Noah to the point center position and package sets that his team couldn't execute that he is somewhat creative. I think people forget that coaches can get better tool. Thibs may just be getting started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2014 Author Share Posted June 16, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 10:59 AM) This is true, but looking at how Pop transformed the team from great d/slow possession team to this iteration makes me hopeful that Thibs can evolve as well. He has the work ethic to do it, and showed by bringing Noah to the point center position and package sets that his team couldn't execute that he is somewhat creative. I think people forget that coaches can get better tool. Thibs may just be getting started. I feel fully confident in saying, this was his best coaching job yet. I would love to see him get another superstar who buys into his system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsoxsoxsox Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 never noticed the mutombo cookie monster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 10:59 AM) This is true, but looking at how Pop transformed the team from great d/slow possession team to this iteration makes me hopeful that Thibs can evolve as well. He has the work ethic to do it, and showed by bringing Noah to the point center position and package sets that his team couldn't execute that he is somewhat creative. I think people forget that coaches can get better tool. Thibs may just be getting started. Any time that Jimmy Butler wants to turn into Kawhi Leonard would probably help too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Yes, hiring away their shooting coach would be aces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) Here is that article by Joe Cowley: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/28103289-41...ml#.U59z2V6WUmF He also tweeted a bunch last night. The handle is @suntimes_hoops. The Bulls should have only 1 untouchable and that's only because of Derrick Rose's contract. If you truly want to be a championship team then everything should be on the table. Edited June 16, 2014 by Y2JImmy0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Jimmy Butler is the most overrated Bulls player probably in franchise history. There, I said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 08:12 PM) Jimmy Butler is the most overrated Bulls player probably in franchise history. There, I said it. I wouldn't say 7 win shares in each of the past two seasons is bad. He'll never be Kawhi Leonard, but he's definitely a good role player you can stick at the 2 or 3 and have him defend just about anyone. BTW, his 7.1 win shares last year was 41st in all of basketball (5th among SGs). Just ahead of Kyrie Irving. Butler also had a higher WS/48 than Irving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 11:08 PM) I wouldn't say 7 win shares in each of the past two seasons is bad. He'll never be Kawhi Leonard, but he's definitely a good role player you can stick at the 2 or 3 and have him defend just about anyone. BTW, his 7.1 win shares last year was 41st in all of basketball (5th among SGs). Just ahead of Kyrie Irving. Butler also had a higher WS/48 than Irving. It's not so much that he's bad (he's not) as much as he's talked about by Bulls fans like he's a tick below Paul George (who was also badly overrated at the start of last season because of excess playoff hype). And the moronic "I don't want Melo if we have to give up Butler" type comments. but but but DEFENSE I get so tired of talking about the Bulls defense too, when the offense is so bad... it reminds me of all those one-dimensional Lovie teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 10:15 PM) It's not so much that he's bad (he's not) as much as he's talked about by Bulls fans like he's a tick below Paul George (who was also badly overrated at the start of last season because of excess playoff hype). And the moronic "I don't want Melo if we have to give up Butler" type comments. but but but DEFENSE I get so tired of talking about the Bulls defense too, when the offense is so bad... it reminds me of all those one-dimensional Lovie teams Yeah, those comments annoy me too. When you can get a superstar in the NBA, you go out and get him. You worry about the details like chemistry later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 09:24 AM) Chris Bosh would be a 20 PPG scorer with excellent efficiency on just about any other team. He also won't kill you defensively at the 4. I'm not laughing at you by no means, I'm just laughing because I have zero faith we will be able to bring in MELO or LOVE. Now please make it happen FO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I think Butler would benefit massively from the Bulls getting Melo. He takes the harder defensive assignment while Melo always draws the tougher defender. LeBron would hate having to be defended by Butler then turn around and defend Melo. That being said I wouldn't blink if it came down to Jimmy being a deal breaker for Love or Melo. He'd be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 10:15 PM) It's not so much that he's bad (he's not) as much as he's talked about by Bulls fans like he's a tick below Paul George (who was also badly overrated at the start of last season because of excess playoff hype). And the moronic "I don't want Melo if we have to give up Butler" type comments. but but but DEFENSE I get so tired of talking about the Bulls defense too, when the offense is so bad... it reminds me of all those one-dimensional Lovie teams I don't listen to much talk radio so maybe it's brought up there a lot but I really don't think Jimmy gets overrated here. A lot of people thought he could be the 'X Factor'(myself included) last year but nobody has ever made him out to be a superstar. But yes, if anyone is saying they wont trade Jimmy in a deal for Melo than they're complete morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Well, this should be an exciting 2 weeks. I said I was going to ignore it because of the inevitable disappointment, but instead I'm going to enjoy it and then ignore the bulls until the season starts and I get irrationally excited about a 2nd round exit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 17, 2014 Author Share Posted June 17, 2014 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 08:12 PM) Jimmy Butler is the most overrated Bulls player probably in franchise history. There, I said it. If there is a superstar player to be had, and the biggest price is Jimmy Butler, I will drive his ass to O-Hare. I appreciate what he does, and how hard he works and hustles, not to mention thinks the game, but he is 100% replaceable. He is at his ceiling and has no hope of getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 09:05 AM) If there is a superstar player to be had, and the biggest price is Jimmy Butler, I will drive his ass to O-Hare. I appreciate what he does, and how hard he works and hustles, not to mention thinks the game, but he is 100% replaceable. He is at his ceiling and has no hope of getting better. He'll be 25 when the season starts. He can't improve his jumper at that age? I'm not trying to overrate Jimmy. If it means Melo or Love, I'll chip in gas as you drive him to airport, but he can improve offensively easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Not to mention if there is a position or player type I'm 100% confident the Bulls can identify and develop, it's Jimmy. I was excited when it seemed like his shot was increasing, and maybe with more offensive options we see him blossom, but with him being a 30% 3pt shooter...eh, okay. I appreciate his ability to draw a foul though. And he's a good man. And handsome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 It's nice seeing lostfan post again, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 17, 2014 Author Share Posted June 17, 2014 QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 09:10 AM) He'll be 25 when the season starts. He can't improve his jumper at that age? I'm not trying to overrate Jimmy. If it means Melo or Love, I'll chip in gas as you drive him to airport, but he can improve offensively easily. We are talking about a couple of percentage points here? Sure. A truly good jumpshooter? No. Not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I think the larger point is that we don't want to be the Heat. We can see that the best way to build a team is to have good players outside your mega-salary players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 11:30 AM) I think the larger point is that we don't want to be the Heat. We can see that the best way to build a team is to have good players outside your mega-salary players They have 2 championships in the last 4 years, I'll be the Heat in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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