witesoxfan Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Um, different worst case scenario Worst Case Scenario: 2017-18 $7M Butler/$5M Mirotic/$10M Noah + a bunch of picks and enough cap space to land a different top free agent (such as LeBron, Batum, Love assuming that Wade & Lebron exercise both years of their options) or give a qualifying offer to one of the many players currently going to be looking for money. Rose signs with LA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 10:44 AM) Time to play GM and win a title. Kevin Durant a member of the Bulls in 2016/2017 - here's how. $21M Rose/$7M Butler/$21M Durant/$5M Mirotic/$10M Noah = $64M = Over the cap but worth it for the rings. You should really consult your "cap guy" before writing that much. It's a lot easier to acquire players when you ignore cap rules. The part I quoted up top is especially an issue. "We're going to win championships" is not a valid salary cap exception. You have to be under $58 million (or whatever the cap is in 2016) with your entire roster in order to add a free agent, your starting 5 isn't even under the cap. Besides, we know that Durant would sign with the Lakers anyways. Edited July 16, 2013 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 It felt good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 04:19 PM) Eh, how do you define good? Outside of the lottery, Butler and Taj are your only good picks late. Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2013 NBA 1 20 Tony Snell 2013 NBA 2 49 Erik Murphy Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2012 NBA 1 29 Marquis Teague Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2011 NBA 1 28 Norris Cole 2011 NBA 1 30 Jimmy Butler 2011 NBA 2 43 Malcolm Lee Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2010 NBA 1 17 Kevin Seraphin Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2009 NBA 1 16 James Johnson 2009 NBA 1 26 Taj Gibson Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2008 NBA 1 1 Derrick Rose 2008 NBA 2 39 Sonny Weems Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2007 NBA 1 9 Joakim Noah 2007 NBA 2 49 Aaron Gray 2007 NBA 2 51 JamesOn Curry Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2006 NBA 1 2 LaMarcus Aldridge 2006 NBA 1 16 Rodney Carney Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2004 NBA 1 3 Ben Gordon 2004 NBA 2 31 Jackson Vroman 2004 NBA 2 38 Chris Duhon Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2003 NBA 1 7 Kirk Hinrich 2003 NBA 2 36 Mario Austin 2003 NBA 2 45 Matt Bonner 2003 NBA 2 53 Tommy Smith Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2002 NBA 1 2 Jay Williams 2002 NBA 2 30 Roger Mason 2002 NBA 2 43 Lonny Baxter Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2001 NBA 1 4 Eddy Curry 2001 NBA 2 29 Trenton Hassell 2001 NBA 2 44 Sean Lampley Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2000 NBA 1 4 Marcus Fizer 2000 NBA 1 7 Chris Mihm 2000 NBA 1 24 Dalibor Bagaric Lord have mercy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 The Heat waived Mike Miller - By wiping his salary off the books, they move from the third tier of the luxury tax threshold into the second tier which = about $17 million saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 03:20 PM) The Heat waived Mike Miller - By wiping his salary off the books, they move from the third tier of the luxury tax threshold into the second tier which = about $17 million saved. Well at least the cap is useful for something with that team. It's not a big blow to them but it does remove a shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 01:34 PM) Lord have mercy Like I said.. Also, if you took Bulls draft picks (as in players the Bulls took out of the draft, not picked in their exact slot) since 2000, here's a roster you could have of active players. PG: Rose/Hinrich/Duhon SG: Butler/Gordon/Thabo SF: Deng/Snell or Artest/Johnson PF: Gibson/Thomas/Murphy or Mirotic C : Noah/Chandler/Asik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 03:36 PM) Like I said.. Also, if you took Bulls draft picks (as in players the Bulls took out of the draft, not picked in their exact slot) since 2000, here's a roster you could have of active players. PG: Rose/Hinrich/Duhon SG: Butler/Gordon/Thabo SF: Deng/Snell or Artest/Johnson PF: Gibson/Thomas/Murphy or Mirotic C : Noah/Chandler/Asik Ron Artest was drafted in 1999. If you decide to go back to 1999 instead of 2000 to include him, you have to include Elton Brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 03:53 PM) Ron Artest was drafted in 1999. If you decide to go back to 1999 instead of 2000 to include him, you have to include Elton Brand. Whoops. Well, that makes it even better. Take out Murphy and add Brand. But that wouldn't fit the "BULLS ARE TERRIBLE AT DRAFTING" narrative. Edited July 16, 2013 by Quinarvy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogua Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 04:09 PM) Whoops. Well, that makes it even better. Take out Murphy and add Brand. But that wouldn't fit the "BULLS ARE TERRIBLE AT DRAFTING" narrative. We traded Brand for Chandler though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 They had 8 top ten picks in the draft and like 4 top fives since 2000. And this is what we've got. That's pretty terrible drafting IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 05:16 PM) They had 8 top ten picks in the draft and like 4 top fives since 2000. And this is what we've got. That's pretty terrible drafting IMO. Other than Tyrus (Aldridge, Gay, Roy before he blew out his knee) and Chandler (Pau, and that was still under Krause), it's not like they've passed on significantly better players with these picks. Drafting isn't anywhere close to one of my major complaints about the Bulls. They can't take James Harden if he's not there when they have a high pick. There aren't a ton of teams that got more of a return on their existing roster. The Spurs (though Duncan and Manu were pre-2000), Thunder (benefit of great draft positions, dumped Harden) and arguably Pacers (later picks). Teams like Cleveland and Golden State have drafted some good players, but also some terrible picks and guys that they moved. Edited July 17, 2013 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Lebron won't be a free agent in 2016. He'd be stupid not to opt out after next year and get another max deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 17, 2013 Author Share Posted July 17, 2013 Is this guy anyone who knows something? Marc J. SpearsVerified account @SpearsNBAYahoo The Raptors are expected to buy out newcomer C Marcus Camby on the final 2 years of contract soon, a source told Y! LAC, CHI, HOU interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It is crazy that Camby is still hanging around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 On that list of Bulls players drafted if you made one like that for every team, probably the majority of them would look like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 08:49 AM) On that list of Bulls players drafted if you made one like that for every team, probably the majority of them would look like that. Not really, because most teams will have some combination of low-value picks and bad drafting. A lot of teams would have 2 or 3 useful players and then D-League filler. Here's the Charlotte Bobcats just for comedy purposes. They were new in 2004 and didn't have any picks in 2010, but they had 10 lottery picks, several of them in the top-5. PG- Raymond Felton/Kemba Walker/D.J. Augustin SG- Gerald Henderson/Bernard Robinson SF- Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Jared Dudley/Adam Morrison PF- Sean May/Cody Zeller/Alexis Anjica C- Emeka Okafor/Bismack Biyombo/Ryan Hollins Now THAT is terrible drafting. Edited July 17, 2013 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 11:49 AM) Not really, because most teams will have some combination of low-value picks and bad drafting. A lot of teams would have 2 or 3 useful players and then D-League filler. Here's the Charlotte Bobcats just for comedy purposes. They were new in 2004 and didn't have any picks in 2010, but they had 10 lottery picks, several of them in the top-5. PG- Raymond Felton/Kemba Walker/D.J. Augustin SG- Gerald Henderson/Bernard Robinson SF- Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Jared Dudley/Adam Morrison PF- Sean May/Cody Zeller/Alexis Anjica C- Emeka Okafor/Bismack Biyombo/Ryan Hollins Now THAT is terrible drafting. Touche. Probably makes the point I was making more, actually (that the Bulls list isn't as bad as it looks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 09:35 AM) Touche. Probably makes the point I was making more, actually (that the Bulls list isn't as bad as it looks). Fairly certain if you broke it down, you'd find out that the Bulls have been very good at drafting, especially considering where they were picking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Stephen A. Smith and Dwight Howard interview. Probably sucks, right? Oh wait, this was a period where they thought they were off the air, but some user was able to hack their conversation... http://deadspin.com/stephen-a-smith-gossip...de-im-813069087 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 http://hoopshype.com/articles/hoopshype/wh...-got-extensions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Man, Portland isn't really trying to move Aldridge apparently. Apparently, they tried to get Love, Griffin, Davis, Horford and Noah-plus for him. That asking price is going to have to come down before an Aldridge trade becomes a realistic possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 18, 2013 -> 04:13 PM) Man, Portland isn't really trying to move Aldridge apparently. Apparently, they tried to get Love, Griffin, Davis, Horford and Noah-plus for him. That asking price is going to have to come down before an Aldridge trade becomes a realistic possibility. But we can still blame Bulls management, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 18, 2013 -> 03:41 PM) But we can still blame Bulls management, right? For not making a deal happen? Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 18, 2013 -> 05:15 PM) For not making a deal happen? Yup. Didn't think you'd be so eager to give up Noah + butler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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