NBA Thread 2013-2014

[Jordan4life_2007]

I get that. What I don't get is how you can have doubt about his even making the team, but still think he is going to be some difference maker. That is a joke.

 

Well, the dude does have a pretty serious pot problem. And he's not exactly bright - otherwise he wouldn't be in his current situation. I didn't say because it's the Heat that he's f***-up proof now. I said if there's one team (well two, the Spurs) that he could turn his career around with it would be the Heat. If he blows this, it's off to Europe or China.

[witesoxfan]

Oh, and now he's playing with LeBron and an elite offensive coach with zero pressure to live up to his draft status.

 

I think you were beginning to make competent arguments until this. Spoelstra is an elite offensive coach in the same way that Brian Billick is an elite defensive coach.

[Jordan4life_2007]

I think you were beginning to make competent arguments until this. Spoelstra is an elite offensive coach in the same way that Brian Billick is an elite defensive coach.

 

And you, like many, don't give him the credit he deserves because he has LeBron. Think back to '11 and compare them to '13 (offensively speaking) and it's not even close. "Pace and space" is what Heat fans call it. There's many articles you can find online dissecting the Heat's very complicated offensive schemes.

[Steve9347]

And you, like many, don't give him the credit he deserves because he has LeBron. Think back to '11 and compare them to '13 (offensively speaking) and it's not even close. "Pace and space" is what Heat fans call it. There's many articles you can find online dissecting the Heat's very complicated offensive schemes.

The offensive scheme that involves players standing at the 3 point line to clear the lane for Wade or LeBron? Yeah, REALLY complicated. It's so brilliant it completely negates any value Chris Bosh has by making him take 18 foot jumpers all day.

[Jordan4life_2007]

The offensive scheme that involves players standing at the 3 point line to clear the lane for Wade or LeBron? Yeah, REALLY complicated. It's so brilliant it completely negates any value Chris Bosh has by making him take 18 foot jumpers all day.

 

Oh gee, it's so easy maybe you can even coach? I love internet experts.

[southsider2k5]

Getting past giving the Heat more reacharounds... Derrick Rose tells CSN that he is now 100%. Too bad, I was hoping he could actually play sometime soon.

 

http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/outside-sh...-223821241.html

[chw42]

Getting past giving the Heat more reacharounds... Derrick Rose tells CSN that he is now 100%. Too bad, I was hoping he could actually play sometime soon.

 

http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/outside-sh...-223821241.html

 

Just 10% left.

[witesoxfan]

And you, like many, don't give him the credit he deserves because he has LeBron. Think back to '11 and compare them to '13 (offensively speaking) and it's not even close. "Pace and space" is what Heat fans call it. There's many articles you can find online dissecting the Heat's very complicated offensive schemes.

 

Really?

 

2008-09 - PPG 98.3 (18th out of 30), Offensive Rating 107.8 (20th out of 30)

2009-10 - PPG 96.5 (25th out of 30), Offensive Rating 106.6 (19th out of 30)

[sIGN LEBRON]

2010-11 - PPG 102.1 (8th out of 30), Offensive Rating 111.7 (3rd out of 30)

 

I call it "Sign LeBron and let the best player since Jordan do his thing," but to each their own.

 

Oh gee, it's so easy maybe you can even coach? I love internet experts.

 

If you gave me a team with LeBron, Wade, Bosh, and the rest of that crew, yeah, I'd probably win 55-60 games showing up drunk every game.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Really?

 

2008-09 - PPG 98.3 (18th out of 30), Offensive Rating 107.8 (20th out of 30)

2009-10 - PPG 96.5 (25th out of 30), Offensive Rating 106.6 (19th out of 30)

[sIGN LEBRON]

2010-11 - PPG 102.1 (8th out of 30), Offensive Rating 111.7 (3rd out of 30)

 

I call it "Sign LeBron and let the best player since Jordan do his thing," but to each their own.

 

 

 

If you gave me a team with LeBron, Wade, Bosh, and the rest of that crew, yeah, I'd probably win 55-60 games showing up drunk every game.

 

Ok, so let's just put an asterisk on all of Phil's titles and Pat Riley's and poppovich's and anybody who's ever won with a great player(s). #the internethasspoken

[chw42]

I have no idea where this notion of Spolestra being a great coach came from. Didn't everyone pile on his ass just a year ago for being incredibly incompetent? I guess winning championships changes everything, huh? Even though he wasn't anywhere near the reason the Heat won those titles.

[Jordan4life_2007]

I have no idea where this notion of Spolestra being a great coach came from. Didn't everyone pile on his ass just a year ago for being incredibly incompetent? I guess winning championships changes everything, huh? Even though he wasn't anywhere near the reason the Heat won those titles.

 

So what makes a great coach? Running your top guys into the ground against s***ty eastern conference teams to the point they have nothing left for the PS three years in a row?

[chw42]

So what makes a great coach? Running your top guys into the ground against s***ty eastern conference teams to the point they have nothing left for the PS three years in a row?

 

The Bulls don't get to the playoffs last year without Thibodeau. They don't get two consecutive #1 seeds without him. They don't get to the ECF in 2011 without him.

 

Do the Heat win the last two championships without Spolestra? Probably.

[southsider2k5]

Really?

 

2008-09 - PPG 98.3 (18th out of 30), Offensive Rating 107.8 (20th out of 30)

2009-10 - PPG 96.5 (25th out of 30), Offensive Rating 106.6 (19th out of 30)

[sIGN LEBRON]

2010-11 - PPG 102.1 (8th out of 30), Offensive Rating 111.7 (3rd out of 30)

 

I call it "Sign LeBron and let the best player since Jordan do his thing," but to each their own.

 

 

 

If you gave me a team with LeBron, Wade, Bosh, and the rest of that crew, yeah, I'd probably win 55-60 games showing up drunk every game.

 

hi Phil!

[Jordan4life_2007]

The Bulls don't get to the playoffs last year without Thibodeau. They don't get two consecutive #1 seeds without him. They don't get to the ECF in 2011 without him.

 

Do the Heat win the last two championships without Spolestra? Probably.

 

Yeah, no coach in history could've accomplished those "feats" but Thibs. lol.

Edited September 16, 2013 by Jordan4life

[witesoxfan]

Ok, so let's just put an asterisk on all of Phil's titles and Pat Riley's and poppovich's and anybody who's ever won with a great player(s). #the internethasspoken

 

-Phil Jackson has won 11 titles with essentially 4 different groups of players. His offense and coaching works. The last 2 with Kobe were probably the most impressive.

-Every full season of Popovich's career (and even 1 lockout year), he's won at least 50 games. During the 98 season, they went 37-13, which is a 60 win pace. He has 4 Finals wins. He's had a zillion different players come through his system with the only constant being Tim Duncan.

-Pat Riley won 5 titles with 2 different teams and made the Finals 9 times with 3 different teams.

 

Meanwhile, Erik Spoelstra had one of the best slashing 2's in the game in Dwyane Wade during his first 2 years and won 43 and 47 games.

 

But please, by all means, tell me you are comparing Spoelstra to Jackson, Popovich, and Riley.

[Soxbadger]

I think Wite coaching the Heat would have more championships today than Spoelstra if he coached the Bulls during the same time frame.

 

 

[Jordan4life_2007]

-Phil Jackson has won 11 titles with essentially 4 different groups of players. His offense and coaching works. The last 2 with Kobe were probably the most impressive.

-Every full season of Popovich's career (and even 1 lockout year), he's won at least 50 games. During the 98 season, they went 37-13, which is a 60 win pace. He has 4 Finals wins. He's had a zillion different players come through his system with the only constant being Tim Duncan.

-Pat Riley won 5 titles with 2 different teams and made the Finals 9 times with 3 different teams.

 

Meanwhile, Erik Spoelstra had one of the best slashing 2's in the game in Dwyane Wade during his first 2 years and won 43 and 47 games.

 

But please, by all means, tell me you are comparing Spoelstra to Jackson, Popovich, and Riley.

 

In other words, you need great, great players to win titles. Been the case since, I don't know, forever.

[chw42]

Yeah, no coach in history could've accomplished those "feats" but Thibs. lol.

 

Certainly not Erik Spolestra.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Certainly not Erik Spolestra.

 

By your logic/standards, Mike Brown is a better, more accomplished coach than Thibs.

[Rowand44]

Sometime the best thing a coach can do is stay out of his players way and Spo is smart enough to do that.

 

The guy obviously has great players but he's managed to win with those egos as well, that makes him a great coach IMO. First time I've said this in a while in this thread but I'm with J4L on this one.

[Boogua]

By your logic/standards, Mike Brown is a better, more accomplished coach than Thibs.

Wouldn't that circle back to the original argument of "it's easy to win with Lebron James"?

[Balta1701]

I think Wite coaching the Heat would have more championships today than Spoelstra if he coached the Bulls during the same time frame.

There is something to be said for being able to get superstar level players to be willing to work together for the benefit of the team. That's one Phil Jackson appears to be the legend at doing. Spoelstra's managed to pull that off somewhat, but it did take a while.

[witesoxfan]

In other words, you need great, great players to win titles. Been the case since, I don't know, forever.

 

Of course. Saying that Spoelstra is an offensive genius when he was generally considered to be a defensive guy as an assistant is silly. Calling him an offensive genius because they brought in LeBron, run an Iso offense with 2-3 guys on the wings who can hit 3s so LeBron can take it or kick is silly. I have also never once said that Spoelstra is a bad coach, just that the offensive genius thing is silly. The only real big wrinkle he added to the offense from the first season was having those wing guys standing at the line. I think that's something most guys could have come up with if they had LeBron, Wade, Bosh, and all those shooters.

[Boogua]

There is something to be said for being able to get superstar level players to be willing to work together for the benefit of the team. That's one Phil Jackson appears to be the legend at doing. Spoelstra's managed to pull that off somewhat, but it did take a while.

I feel like it would be easier in this case because these guys were all close friends before signing up. When they originally started playing together people were saying that they were all playing too unselfishly and that was the detriment to the team. Willingness to work together has never been a huge problem with the heat because of the relationships the players had prior to 2011.

[CrimsonWeltall]

There is something to be said for being able to get superstar level players to be willing to work together for the benefit of the team. That's one Phil Jackson appears to be the legend at doing. Spoelstra's managed to pull that off somewhat, but it did take a while.

 

He's done it with 3 guys who are close buddies that all decided to take paycuts and go to the same team to win titles. It's not like he's dealing with guys who hate each other and would fight over minutes/shots.