ZoomSlowik Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 If there's a Bulls/Pacers series, there's no chance the winner makes it to the Finals IMO. That would be a long, physical series, with few scores above 90. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Let me put it this way... Flip Boozer, Deng and Dunleavy for KG, Pierce and AK47 and the Bulls would probably be the favorite. The Nets aren't going to win 60 games. I'd say 55 is their ceiling (I expect 50-52). They'll be a nightmare in the postseason if reasonably healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 08:31 PM) Let me put it this way... Flip Boozer, Deng and Dunleavy for KG, Pierce and AK47 and the Bulls would probably be the favorite. The Nets aren't going to win 60 games. I'd say 55 is their ceiling (I expect 50-52). They'll be a nightmare in the postseason if reasonably healthy. Those three guys for the Nets are the only reason anyone is worried about them. Before they merged with the Celtics, the Nets lost a playoff series to a Bulls' team that was virtually playing on crutches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 08:36 PM) Those three guys for the Nets are the only reason anyone is worried about them. Before they merged with the Celtics, the Nets lost a playoff series to a Bulls' team that was virtually playing on crutches. Terry, too. They're going to stretch the s*** out of teams with their 3-point shooting. That's how you beat Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 08:51 PM) Terry, too. They're going to stretch the s*** out of teams with their 3-point shooting. That's how you beat Miami. Slowing down Miami on defense is a much bigger part of beating/pushing them. The jury is still out on that front. Lopez is a fairly big liability at the middle of their defense and several of their other players are issues now that they're past their peak. It can't all fall on KG and AK47. They'll be an interesting team. Certainly they have offensive talent, but I need to see if they can stop people and/or keep up with more athletic teams before putting them above Chicago and Indiana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 09:02 PM) Slowing down Miami on defense is a much bigger part of beating/pushing them. The jury is still out on that front. Lopez is a fairly big liability at the middle of their defense and several of their other players are issues now that they're past their peak. It can't all fall on KG and AK47. They'll be an interesting team. Certainly they have offensive talent, but I need to see if they can stop people and/or keep up with more athletic teams before putting them above Chicago and Indiana. Chicago and Indiana have "slowed" them down and all they've done is lose. Dallas/SA have proven what it takes to beat Miami. Fair point on their overall defensive abilities. They'll definitely be better. KG/AK alone do that. But they don't have to be a defensive juggernaut with their offensive firepower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 09:10 PM) Chicago and Indiana have "slowed" them down and all they've done is lose. Dallas/SA have proven what it takes to beat Miami. Fair point on their overall defensive abilities. They'll definitely be better. KG/AK alone do that. But they don't have to be a defensive juggernaut with their offensive firepower. Well no s***, you need both to actually win it all. That said, the Pacers made them sweat despite finishing 20th in offensive efficiency last year and Boston did it at 27th (albiet without Bosh). San Antonio was 7th O and 3rd D, the Mavs were 8th in both. The Nets were 17th in defensive efficiency last year, they need to move up around 10 spots to be a real threat. If you have to score 100 every game against the Heat to win, you're going to lose. Prime KG makes that big a difference no question, 37 year old KG not as much. Offense wasn't their main problem last year, they finished 8th in offensive efficiency. They'll be better, whether they're a "contender" remains to be seen. Edited October 11, 2013 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 09:21 PM) Well no s***, you need both to actually win it all. That said, the Pacers made them sweat despite finishing 20th in offensive efficiency last year and Boston did it at 27th (albiet without Bosh). San Antonio was 7th O and 3rd D, the Mavs were 8th in both. The Nets were 17th in defensive efficiency last year, they need to move up around 10 spots to be a real threat. If you have to score 100 every game against the Heat to win, you're going to lose. Prime KG makes that big a difference no question, 37 year old KG not as much. Offense wasn't their main problem last year, they finished 8th in offensive efficiency. They'll be better, whether they're a "contender" remains to be seen. lol@make them sweat. Stop with the 1992 Knicks nonsense. 37-year old KG makes the same difference defensively as prime KG - just in 30 minutes instead of 40. Which is why the Nets won't win 60 games. The object is to get him through the regular season healthy and unleash him in the playoffs. Throw in AK and his overall versatility and Pierce (underrated defender) and it's not hard to see a much improved d-rating. If they're not a contender, then neither are the Bulls and Pacers. I don't need to see a bad movie two/three times to come to the conclusion that it's a bad movie. The Nets are the most talented eastern conference team of the big three era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 09:39 PM) lol@make them sweat. Stop with the 1992 Knicks nonsense. 37-year old KG makes the same difference defensively as prime KG - just in 30 minutes instead of 40. Which is why the Nets won't win 60 games. The object is to get him through the regular season healthy and unleash him in the playoffs. Throw in AK and his overall versatility and Pierce (underrated defender) and it's not hard to see a much improved d-rating. If they're not a contender, then neither are the Bulls and Pacers. I don't need to see a bad movie two/three times to come to the conclusion that it's a bad movie. The Nets are the most talented eastern conference team of the big three era. Okay, fine, the series had to go 7 games without Granger, but they have NO CHANCE of winning whatsoever. The Nets have the best "names" of the Big 3 Era. There's a difference. Edited October 11, 2013 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Last note: I'm not saying the Nets are definitively out of the picture. I definitely think they're better than the rest of the East. What I said was I have to see how it works before I put them above one of the other three "contenders" in the East. I have considerably more faith in the Bulls and Pacers (and obviously the Heat). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 10:00 PM) Last note: I'm not saying the Nets are definitively out of the picture. I definitely think they're better than the rest of the East. What I said was I have to see how it works before I put them above one of the other three "contenders" in the East. I have considerably more faith in the Bulls and Pacers (and obviously the Heat). You can say they're out of it. They're better than the rest of the east but they're not on the same level as the top 3, they just aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 11:35 PM) You can say they're out of it. They're better than the rest of the east but they're not on the same level as the top 3, they just aren't. Miami? No. The other two? Stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 09:46 PM) Okay, fine, the series had to go 7 games without Granger, but they have NO CHANCE of winning whatsoever. The Nets have the best "names" of the Big 3 Era. There's a difference. Worked so well for the lakers last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 11:45 PM) Miami? No. The other two? Stop it. It's a team with slow and old players run by a rookie head coach who is going to want to run, run, run. It's a perfect recipe for poor defense, fatigue, and injuries. Hell, the Knicks might be better. If you want to talk about a team that can space the floor and drill it from 3, that is the team that can do it. And they still get rolled by the Heat. I just don't think Pierce and Garnett are a good fit schematically on that team. Take those 2 (and Terry, I guess) away from the Nets, and you are looking at a team that suffered a 1st round loss to a rather pedestrian Bulls team, yet suddenly, yet somehow Old Man Pierce and Denture Adventure Garnett are going to push them into a top 3 team in the league? You're crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Oh, and the "way" to beat the Heat was shown by the Pacers and Spurs last year...get a couple shooters on the wings, get a good presence down low, get a slasher, and an athletic player who can drive and force them into a decision, and then play tight, tight defense. It's not "get 3 point shooters and shoot all day." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 09:45 AM) It's a team with slow and old players run by a rookie head coach who is going to want to run, run, run. It's a perfect recipe for poor defense, fatigue, and injuries. Hell, the Knicks might be better. If you want to talk about a team that can space the floor and drill it from 3, that is the team that can do it. And they still get rolled by the Heat. I just don't think Pierce and Garnett are a good fit schematically on that team. Take those 2 (and Terry, I guess) away from the Nets, and you are looking at a team that suffered a 1st round loss to a rather pedestrian Bulls team, yet suddenly, yet somehow Old Man Pierce and Denture Adventure Garnett are going to push them into a top 3 team in the league? You're crazy. I could certainly see a way for the Nets to be a real force come playoff time, but it involves them following the Spurs formula and seriously limiting the minutes of many of their key guys during the regular season. That will hurt their regular season record, but after that, we'll see. They have to be as clost to 100% as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 08:57 AM) I could certainly see a way for the Nets to be a real force come playoff time, but it involves them following the Spurs formula and seriously limiting the minutes of many of their key guys during the regular season. That will hurt their regular season record, but after that, we'll see. They have to be as clost to 100% as possible. Thank you. As I said, the Nets will not win 60 games. I expect the Bulls/Pacers to win a few more games in the regular season. The Nets are built for the playoffs. Kidd's two main priorities this year are to manage the minutes of the older players and maximize Deron Williams' talent. Edited October 11, 2013 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 08:48 AM) Oh, and the "way" to beat the Heat was shown by the Pacers and Spurs last year...get a couple shooters on the wings, get a good presence down low, get a slasher, and an athletic player who can drive and force them into a decision, and then play tight, tight defense. It's not "get 3 point shooters and shoot all day." How did two teams who ultimately lost to the Heat show us how to beat the Heat? That makes less than negative sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 10:29 AM) How did two teams who ultimately lost to the Heat show us how to beat the Heat? That makes less than negative sense. The Spurs were a miracle shot away from beating the Heat. Come on dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 10:32 AM) The Spurs were a miracle shot away from beating the Heat. Come on dude The greatest 3-point shooter of all-time hit, um, a 3-pointer. How exactly was that a miracle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 10:35 AM) The greatest 3-point shooter of all-time hit, um, a 3-pointer. How exactly was that a miracle? He traveled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 10:38 AM) He traveled. And MJ pushed Russell. Magic fouled Isaiah. Who cares. You don't call that in that situation. Edited October 11, 2013 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 10:35 AM) The greatest 3-point shooter of all-time hit, um, a 3-pointer. How exactly was that a miracle? LeBron misses a 3, Bosh hits the ball to get it outside, somehow finds its way into Ray Allen's hands, he gets the shot off, and drills the 3 with a hand in his face, all in a matter of about 4 seconds. The fact that it went in is not miraculous, but the fact that the ball got to him in the manner that it did is the miracle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 10:53 AM) And MJ pushed Russell. Who cares. You don't call that in that situation. This does not compute. Why does what MJ did OK that Ray Allen traveled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 10:55 AM) This does not compute. Why does what MJ did OK that Ray Allen traveled. I don't think Ray Allen traveled on that play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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