DBAHO Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 10:59 AM) The team that has the worst record never seems to win the lottery anyways. Besides, getting Julius Randle or Dante Exum (if he comes out) wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. They do have some nice young talent. Vucevic is way better than I expected when they acquired him, Oladipo is legit and Harris and Harkless are fairly solid (my fantasy needs Harris to get back though!). I think what you can say about Orlando is that no-one expected them to have the young talent they currently have when Dwight wanted out in the last off-season. Hennigan has pretty much hit on every move he's made so far, he easily won the Dwight trade by getting 3 starters (albeit Harkless wouldn't start on a lot of teams) and 2 future 1st's, Oladipo looks much better than Anthony Bennett currently, and also getting Tobias Harris for Redick's ending contract. To go from having Hedo, Davis, Jason Richardson and Arenas as core pieces 24/36 months ago to having younger pieces such as Vucevic and Nicholson producing well, I think he's done a very good job so far, and it'll be interesting to see what he does when we have some cap space in the off-season. I would almost look at targeting Exum in the draft if he committs (being an Aussie certainly help), and going after a good PF in Free Agency (such as LaMarcus Aldridge if he left Portland), and then you'd have a pretty decent lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) Speaking of Anthony Bennett, he still has yet to record ONE basket this season. Not one. That's crazy. Edited November 5, 2013 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 06:09 PM) Speaking of Anthony Bennett, he still has yet to record ONE basket this season. Not one. That's crazy. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but taking Dion Waiters at #4 in the previous year's draft really forced their hand. I wonder if Kyrie Irving thinks if he can win with that team as currently constructed in the long-term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 02:17 AM) Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but taking Dion Waiters at #4 in the previous year's draft really forced their hand. I wonder if Kyrie Irving thinks if he can win with that team as currently constructed in the long-term. He can take his talents to South Beach when they let Wade go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 08:17 AM) Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but taking Dion Waiters at #4 in the previous year's draft really forced their hand. I wonder if Kyrie Irving thinks if he can win with that team as currently constructed in the long-term. This is what kills teams that are consistently in lottery. They start trying to force players to fill out their team and they lose sight of franchise changing BPA. Edited November 5, 2013 by bmags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 01:17 AM) Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but taking Dion Waiters at #4 in the previous year's draft really forced their hand. I wonder if Kyrie Irving thinks if he can win with that team as currently constructed in the long-term. Throw in the Tristan Thompson pick too, they reached on all three of those. Without stretching things too much (ie expecting them to take Kawhi or Klay Thompson), they could have had Jonas Valanciunas, Andre Drummond and Victor Oladipo. Instead, they have Thompson, Waiters and Bennett. Their bad picks definitely forced their hand on subsequent picks, which is why I'd be shocked if Kyrie stays (unless Lebron miraculously returns). I was never a fan of the Bennett pick, he pretty much looked like a clone of Michael Beasley/Derrick Williams. At least they got the Irving pick right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Been paying so much attention to the West that I didn't realize how good Paul George and the Pacers have been. PG looks like he's about to make the leap to superstar. Which means the Bulls will no longer have that advantage (assuming Rose gets back to MVP form). Hibbert is blocking every shot in sight. They've got more depth. Granger is a luxury at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Nov 6, 2013 -> 12:18 PM) Throw in the Tristan Thompson pick too, they reached on all three of those. Without stretching things too much (ie expecting them to take Kawhi or Klay Thompson), they could have had Jonas Valanciunas, Andre Drummond and Victor Oladipo. Instead, they have Thompson, Waiters and Bennett. Their bad picks definitely forced their hand on subsequent picks, which is why I'd be shocked if Kyrie stays (unless Lebron miraculously returns). I was never a fan of the Bennett pick, he pretty much looked like a clone of Michael Beasley/Derrick Williams. At least they got the Irving pick right... I think another point that you've raised is about Small Forwards that get drafted very highly such as Beasley / Williams, where they're not really cut out to be 3's and play more like 4's, but in the NBA, they're not big enough to play the 4, and are willing to post up. So they fit that "tweener" sort of mould, and that's exactly the problem I see with Bennett, he's not athletic enough to play the 3 IMO, but he'll get dominated down low by the bigger 4's in the league. I think with the Small Forward position in the NBA today, unless you have a real special talent like a Lebron or a Durant, you'd want a "glue guy" such as a Luol Deng, Andre Igoudala etc. Someone who won't shoot the ball 20 times a game at around 35% success (Carmelo come on down), but can play very solid defense, hit the corner 3, and give you solid rebounding. Having a star big or PG is probably going to be a better outcome, unless you have either James or Durant (although Paul George is quickly heading to that status also). There's already speculation about Irving joining the Knicks, but I don't see how that can happen cap wise, and I think actually Orlando gets either Denver or New York's 1st rounder at this year's draft, which could actually end up being a pick b/w 10 and 20 the way both teams are looking at present. I'll be curious to see what happens with Eric Bledsoe come the end of the season also. His current averages aren't sustainable, but if he can get over 17.5 PPG and 6 AST's a game come the end of the season, how close does that get him to say $12-$15M a season from someone? The A/TO Ratio at present is terrible though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsoxsoxsox Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 this official review is turrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Are the officials penalizing Rose for taking a year off? This makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 6, 2013 -> 05:43 AM) I think another point that you've raised is about Small Forwards that get drafted very highly such as Beasley / Williams, where they're not really cut out to be 3's and play more like 4's, but in the NBA, they're not big enough to play the 4, and are willing to post up. So they fit that "tweener" sort of mould, and that's exactly the problem I see with Bennett, he's not athletic enough to play the 3 IMO, but he'll get dominated down low by the bigger 4's in the league. I think with the Small Forward position in the NBA today, unless you have a real special talent like a Lebron or a Durant, you'd want a "glue guy" such as a Luol Deng, Andre Igoudala etc. Someone who won't shoot the ball 20 times a game at around 35% success (Carmelo come on down), but can play very solid defense, hit the corner 3, and give you solid rebounding. Having a star big or PG is probably going to be a better outcome, unless you have either James or Durant (although Paul George is quickly heading to that status also). There's already speculation about Irving joining the Knicks, but I don't see how that can happen cap wise, and I think actually Orlando gets either Denver or New York's 1st rounder at this year's draft, which could actually end up being a pick b/w 10 and 20 the way both teams are looking at present. I'll be curious to see what happens with Eric Bledsoe come the end of the season also. His current averages aren't sustainable, but if he can get over 17.5 PPG and 6 AST's a game come the end of the season, how close does that get him to say $12-$15M a season from someone? The A/TO Ratio at present is terrible though. Those guys definitely had issues. I was blinded by Beasley's dominance in college, but the other two I didn't really like. You can throw in a bunch of 6'9" "athletes" that people take for potential too like Tyrus Thomas or Stromile Swift. It's tricky though because guys with legit SF talent frequently play PF in college (Durant, Melo, Granger, Deng are a few off the top of my head). It just doesn't seem like they are many elite wing players right now, most of the top shot-creators end up at the point right now. Every team would rather have a Lebron/Durant/Harden/George (and probably Melo, though he doesn't always play smart), but if you don't have one of them you probably want a 3-and-D type that blends in. The Knicks could have cap space depending on how things shake out over the next two years. Chandler and Amare both expire after 14/15 (Amare's is technically a player option, but he's not turning down $23 million) and they only have $13 mil committed outside of a potential Melo extension. Who knows what they'll do between now and then though. Someone will definitely pay Bledsoe a ton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 This team is so boring to watch right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 When did this #1 guy learn how to shoot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 A 7-game series with these two would be god awful to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 6, 2013 -> 07:13 PM) A 7-game series with these two would be god awful to watch. Easy their tiger. It's only a few games in the season and you're ready to make that kind of statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Clippers look like crap so far vs Orlando. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) Derrick is extending his arms more on his jump shot, might be a mechanism to help square his body better. Edited November 7, 2013 by Rowand44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 the second unit is awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Nov 6, 2013 -> 07:24 PM) Easy their tiger. It's only a few games in the season and you're ready to make that kind of statement? Pettie, let me introduce to you to J4L.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsoxsoxsox Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 WHERE'S DROSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Nov 6, 2013 -> 06:31 PM) Those guys definitely had issues. I was blinded by Beasley's dominance in college, but the other two I didn't really like. You can throw in a bunch of 6'9" "athletes" that people take for potential too like Tyrus Thomas or Stromile Swift. It's tricky though because guys with legit SF talent frequently play PF in college (Durant, Melo, Granger, Deng are a few off the top of my head). It just doesn't seem like they are many elite wing players right now, most of the top shot-creators end up at the point right now. Every team would rather have a Lebron/Durant/Harden/George (and probably Melo, though he doesn't always play smart), but if you don't have one of them you probably want a 3-and-D type that blends in. The Knicks could have cap space depending on how things shake out over the next two years. Chandler and Amare both expire after 14/15 (Amare's is technically a player option, but he's not turning down $23 million) and they only have $13 mil committed outside of a potential Melo extension. Who knows what they'll do between now and then though. Someone will definitely pay Bledsoe a ton. On the other hand, the college 4 is quite often really just 3b. So many teams go out there with 3 guards, a small forward type, plus a PF/C (not really many true C's in college, or anywhere) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 last second shot away from being winless. im worried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Jesus guys, run an offense. It's like we have Lovie Smith for a coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Bulls need to make a trade. There's just not enough offensive talent here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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