ILMOU Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 27, 2013 -> 03:47 PM) Because he walked 4.5 batters an inning at AA and, despite a good strikeout rate, still had a 3.9 ERA. Really, if you can't get AA hitters out with pure stuff (low 90s fastball, curveball, changeup), or you can't locate it well enough to do so, you are going to struggle in the majors. In fairness, Vance was very good until the last few weeks of the season when it went to hell. Maybe he got tired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 27, 2013 -> 04:47 PM) Because he walked 4.5 batters an inning at AA and, despite a good strikeout rate, still had a 3.9 ERA. Really, if you can't get AA hitters out with pure stuff (low 90s fastball, curveball, changeup), or you can't locate it well enough to do so, you are going to struggle in the majors. not quite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Sep 27, 2013 -> 04:49 PM) In fairness, Vance was very good until the last few weeks of the season when it went to hell. Maybe he got tired. You still want to see him do it at AAA first. The only time you can legitimately skip a reliever a full level like that is when it's a guy like Bobby Jenks who throws 102 MPH QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Sep 27, 2013 -> 04:53 PM) not quite Ha, you're right. 4.5 per 9. Actually 4.7, but I figured I'd give a rough estimate. I don't lose anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 27, 2013 -> 03:57 PM) You still want to see him do it at AAA first. The only time you can legitimately skip a reliever a full level like that is when it's a guy like Bobby Jenks who throws 102 MPH Yes, and he's also a few years younger than the other relief options. I think he's a more likely candidate for the '15 pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 25, 2013 -> 08:15 AM) 14? What guys do you think will be non-tendered? I have 8, and I'm not even confident about that- Deuente Heath David Purcey Ramon Troncoso Bryan Anderson Paul Konerko Mike McDade Brent Morel Blake Tekotte There are other guys that CAN, but those would really be moves made out of necessity. I agree with your 8 names above. I would add Molina and Mitchell, possibly Axelrod, Castro, Veal. I'm sure Sox will give Mitchell another year, but to me his departure is inevitable. These other players, all pitchers, might be kept only for the Charlotte roster. That does not justify keeping them all on the 40 man roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 QUOTE (oldsox @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 07:22 AM) I agree with your 8 names above. I would add Molina and Mitchell, possibly Axelrod, Castro, Veal. I'm sure Sox will give Mitchell another year, but to me his departure is inevitable. These other players, all pitchers, might be kept only for the Charlotte roster. That does not justify keeping them all on the 40 man roster. Is Molina on the 40 man already? I think they were optimistic about what they saw from him out of the penn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 I believe Castro is out of options, so he either makes the team out of spring training or he's gone (assuming his velocity is back to normal). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 (edited) I believe Bucket mentioned earlier in the thread that the Sox front office were looking heavy into Pence this off season. Well Heyman just tweeted that Pence and the Giants are close to a deal near 90 million. 5 year deal for 90 million. Thoughts? Would you give Choo 5/90? Edited September 28, 2013 by SoxPride18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 11:27 AM) Thoughts? Would you give Choo 5/90? Given how right-handed dominant the pitching is in our division (other than the Sox, obviously), we're the perfect landing spot for him. Will be interesting to see how high the bidding gets for guys like him and Ellsbury, especially with the new TV money coming and limited FA studs available. Also, since my wife is Korean, this would go a long way toward making her a Sox fan, which would be nice for planning future vacations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 12:27 PM) I believe Bucket mentioned earlier in the thread that the Sox front office were looking heavy into Pence this off season. Well Heyman just tweeted that Pence and the Giants are close to a deal near 90 million. 5 year deal for 90 million. Thoughts? Would you give Choo 5/90? God no. He'd be a $90 million platoon player now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 How would you guys feel of a Santiago for Trumbo + trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Sep 29, 2013 -> 12:58 AM) How would you guys feel of a Santiago for Trumbo + trade? Um, yes please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 07:59 PM) Um, yes please Angels are looking for a good cost controlled pitcher and I think Santiago fits the bill. Trumbo would be 28 at the start of next season, so I would think the Angels would have to chip in 2 lower level players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 07:58 PM) How would you guys feel of a Santiago for Trumbo + trade? Trumbo's a first baseman who only put up a .750 OPS. He's Adam Dunn but gets on base less. We could do better for Santiago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Allow me to make a leap. Starting center fielder- Grady Sizemore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 My ideal yet unrealistic team- Transactions- CF Grady Sizemore signed to 3 year/ 30 million dollar deal. I have no idea if the price is too high or low, but coming off an injury I'd have to imagine he's not looking for 5/90. LHP Hector Santiago traded to Angels for 1B/DH/3B Mark Trumbo. RHP Gavin Floyd re-signed for 1 year/ 3 million dollars. This is to give some younger arms a bit more time in the minors. RHP Jesse Crain signed for 2 years/ 9 million. C Jarrod Saltalamacchia signed for 2 years/ 5 million. Rotation 1. Sale 2. Quintana 3. Danks 4. Floyd 5. Johnson Bullpen Reed Crain Veal Vance Webb Jones Minor League Starter such as Rienzo or Leesman to handle long relief C- Salty 1B- Trumbo 2B- Beckham 3B- Keppinger SS- Ramirez LF- Viciedo CF- Sizemore RF- Garcia Bench Notables- Flowers Jordan Danks Semien Gillaspie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Semien is in the lineup next year. No way he's a bench player at the start of next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoSchumacher Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 06:01 PM) Angels are looking for a good cost controlled pitcher and I think Santiago fits the bill. Trumbo would be 28 at the start of next season, so I would think the Angels would have to chip in 2 lower level players. How about Trumbo and Hank Conger for John Danks and Tyler Flowers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 QUOTE (Leonard of Berwyn @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 10:21 PM) How about Trumbo and Hank Conger for John Danks and Tyler Flowers? I'd do that in a heartbeat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 QUOTE (ChiSoxFan05 @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 08:51 PM) Allow me to make a leap. Starting center fielder- Grady Sizemore. Get ready to be "flamed". I was really beaten up pretty good, when I suggested it. But, just between the two of us, I think it's a great idea. SHHHH! I would think that Sizemore would want a one year deal, so that he could prove he's healthy and still productive. That would be even better for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 QUOTE (Lillian @ Sep 29, 2013 -> 07:45 AM) Get ready to be "flamed". I was really beaten up pretty good, when I suggested it. But, just between the two of us, I think it's a great idea. SHHHH! I would think that Sizemore would want a one year deal, so that he could prove he's healthy and still productive. That would be even better for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 QUOTE (Leonard of Berwyn @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 10:21 PM) How about Trumbo and Hank Conger for John Danks and Tyler Flowers? No way Angels do that. I don't think they want to add another large contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Sizemore for 3/$30 when he wasn't healthy enough to play this year? F*** just sign me for 3/$20 and there's a good chance I'll produce exactly as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Give away Gavin Floyd can take himself somewhere else in 2014...........Good bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Just so we are aware, Grady Sizemore has not played in a game since 2011, had not played effectively since 2009, and is already 31. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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