hi8is Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 10:28 AM) I think Kung Fu Panda is a possibility. Don't mind the player at all. However, it's a bummer that he only has one year left until he's a free agent. In my mind, any trade target will include multiple years of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (hi8is @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 12:35 PM) Don't mind the player at all. However, it's a bummer that he only has one year left until he's a free agent. In my mind, any trade target will include multiple years of control. Good, it's a contract year. Maybe he'll actually get in shape and play well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 02:22 PM) Good, it's a contract year. Maybe he'll actually get in shape and play well. As it stands now, we'll have a DH opening after next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 12:28 PM) I think Kung Fu Panda is a possibility. I'd be on board for Santiago-Gordon for Kung Fu Panda and placing Semien at the vacant spot. /time for Quin's needless pipe dream Sign him to an extension. Sign McCann. Sign Ellsbury. Adding those three plus Abreu puts people in seats. CF - Ellsbury SS - Alexei DH - Dunn 1B - Abreu C - McCann RF - Avisail 3B - Sandoval LF - Dayan 2B - Semien Bench: Garcia, Phegley, Danks, and Conor. Try to ship Keppinger and De Aza for whatever you can get. Roll with... Sale - Quintana - Danks - Johnson - Rienzo with someone like Floyd signed to a AAA spot in case Rienzo or Johnson don't perform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 03:53 PM) I'd be on board for Santiago-Gordon for Kung Fu Panda and placing Semien at the vacant spot. Free agent at the end of 2014 so we'd only have him for 1 season, probably not getting the $14 million qualifying offer that would earn us a draft pick, due $8.2 million next year so his "surplus value" over what he's paid for is extremely low. This is comparable to Santiago for Headley...it's a move the White Sox might consider coming off a season where they won 89 games and their 3b spot was a weakness where they could put themselves over the top, and they had extra veteran pitching around making a guy under team control for 4 years superfluous. It's the opposite of the kind of move the White Sox should be making now, they should not be trading well underpaid guys they have long-term for fairly-paid soon-to-be free agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
professa Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 (edited) I'm a big advocate of some low risk signings that could bring back high value and if they don't pan out who cares because the monetary contribution will be very low and we can trade them at the deadline rather than signing Grandy and McCann and have them potentially flop on us and have to be stuck with them . This will give us a chance of competing and fielding an exciting team. Signings: JD Abreu 6/68 Gio Soto: 1/4.5 with an option Chris Young: 1/2 million .800+ career OPS vs LH Juan Uribe 2/12 Ryan Vogelsong 1/1million w/ option Oliver Perez: 1/2.5 w/ option Jesse Crain 2/10 million Trade Hector for a solid top 50-75 prospect. No more risky trades. Get a sure thing that will contribute 2-4 WAR in the future. Rather have that than getting a high risk 50/50 chance the kid will pan out. Lineup: 1. ADA/Chris Young 2. Alexei Ramirez 3. Jose Dariel Abreu 4. Adam Dunn/Gio Soto vs LHP 5. Avisail Garcia 6. Dayan Viciedo 7. Gio Soto/Phegley/Flowers 8. Conor Gillaspie/Juan Uribe 9. Gordon Beckham Bench Chris Young Leury Garcia/ Jordan Danks Uribe/Gillaspie Phegley/ Flowers (Really would like Semien to start in AAA, do not want to rush this kid. Want him to have at least 1/2 Season at AAA) Rotation: 1. Sale 2. Q 3. Danks 4. Johnson 5. Reinzo/Vogelsong Pen: Reed Crain Jones Perez Lindstrom Petricka/Webb/Veal pick 2 These signings allows a retooling while staying semi competitive. Obviously we may choose to go with semien/gillaspie at 3b or try phegley and flowers for one more year. I just think the above team would be exciting with some guys that have the potential to bring back high value. The payroll would be around 80 million which leaves us a lot of room still Edited October 20, 2013 by professa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Too platoony for my liking and 15 position players is too many, especially if they collectively suck. I think you're right that we will see a lot of the same next year and we probably need to being so young, but I hope Hahn addresses 1 more position for the future this offseason. 2 Quality long-term pieces in 3 months is good work thus far, and 1-2 more and we're set. Sale For Trout- Greatest trade ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 If Sox do trade one of their pitchers like Santiago, how would you guys feel if Hahn went after Lincecum on a 2 year deal worth 24 million? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShandyMan Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 07:29 PM) If Sox do trade one of their pitchers like Santiago, how would you guys feel if Hahn went after Lincecum on a 2 year deal worth 24 million? Meh. I'd rather take Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I like Pablo, but yeah, you can't give up long-term pieces to get a guy like that on the last year of his deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Let's be realistic here. After signing Abreu, we're not going to also sign Granderson, Ellsbury, McCann, AND Lincecum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 QUOTE (professa @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 01:39 PM) I'm a big advocate of some low risk signings that could bring back high value and if they don't pan out who cares because the monetary contribution will be very low and we can trade them at the deadline rather than signing Grandy and McCann and have them potentially flop on us and have to be stuck with them . This will give us a chance of competing and fielding an exciting team. Signings: JD Abreu 6/68 Gio Soto: 1/4.5 with an option Chris Young: 1/2 million .800+ career OPS vs LH Juan Uribe 2/12 Ryan Vogelsong 1/1million w/ option Oliver Perez: 1/2.5 w/ option Jesse Crain 2/10 million Trade Hector for a solid top 50-75 prospect. No more risky trades. Get a sure thing that will contribute 2-4 WAR in the future. Rather have that than getting a high risk 50/50 chance the kid will pan out. Lineup: 1. ADA/Chris Young 2. Alexei Ramirez 3. Jose Dariel Abreu 4. Adam Dunn/Gio Soto vs LHP 5. Avisail Garcia 6. Dayan Viciedo 7. Gio Soto/Phegley/Flowers 8. Conor Gillaspie/Juan Uribe 9. Gordon Beckham Young, Soto,Uribe are all right-handed . The Sox need more lefties. I think any moves you see will be for lefties . There's just too many good righthanded pitchers in our division and it has to be adressed in the form of acquiring lefties who hit RH pitching well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 11:30 PM) Young, Soto,Uribe are all right-handed . The Sox need more lefties. I think any moves you see will be for lefties . There's just too many good righthanded pitchers in our division and it has to be adressed in the form of acquiring lefties who hit RH pitching well. Lillian just cummed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Giving up Santiago like that is crazy...for someone who has a 10-15% chance of working out. There's also no guarantees that Sale won't get injured or that Quintana won't regress or that Erik Johnson isn't ready. And there's no way I would give Jesse Crain that type of money coming off what seems like it could be a major injury. Will agree with one thing, we probably need at least one somewhat reliable (Howell, O. Perez, whoever) veteran lefty coming into spring training...unless we're just giving up on 2014 before the season even starts and will give that role to Santos Rodriguez to develop him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 10:33 PM) Lillian just cummed. Conor Jackson and Sizemore are both available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 11:33 PM) Lillian just cummed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
professa Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Sandoval is going to be really hard to acquire...SF has limited offense as is and I dont think giving up one of our young pitchers is a good idea in the long run for a guy with some injury issues and the last 2 years has put up mid .700 OPS with poor defense. Rather try out Semien or give Conor another look. We're not even competing right now. We won't resign him after this year most likely (probably gonna command 5/80) and gave up a cost controlled pitcher because of it. Not the right move at this time imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 rade Hector for a solid top 50-75 prospect. No more risky trades. Get a sterrible thing that will contribute 2-4 WAR in the future. Rather have that than getting a high risk 50/50 chance the kid will pan out. How is that not a huge risk? And hector has already panned out. This would be a terrible return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 QUOTE (professa @ Oct 21, 2013 -> 12:01 AM) Sandoval is going to be really hard to acquire...SF has limited offense as is and I dont think giving up one of our young pitchers is a good idea in the long run for a guy with some injury issues and the last 2 years has put up mid .700 OPS with poor defense. Rather try out Semien or give Conor another look. We're not even competing right now. We won't resign him after this year most likely (probably gonna command 5/80) and gave up a cost controlled pitcher because of it. Not the right move at this time imo. Why not? From the way I see it the Sox will be around $70M after arbitration this year and have another 15M coming off next year. The most certainly can afford to pay Sandoval 16M a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 15, 2013 -> 10:15 AM) I posted some deals I'd accept for Sale last time this was brought up... Diamondbacks I'm asking Skaggs, Eaton, Owings, Davidson, Holmberg, Trahan. Pirates I'm asking Tallion, Cole, Polanco, and Hanson. Cardinals I'm asking Wacha, Martinez, Taveras, Adams, and Wong. Red Sox I'm asking Bogaerts, Bradley, Owens, Ranuado, and Cecchini/Brentz Orioles I'm asking Bundy, Britton, Rodriguez, Schoop, and Harvey. The price for Sale is high, astronomical, unprecedented. A team like the Orioles would have to take Dunn. The Cards Alexei. The Pirates Alexei and De Aza. There is a price to get it done, but no team wants to pay it. There is no way the DBacks and especially the Cardinals would EVER offer those trades. I'd take those collections of players over Sale 8 days a week. I love the dude, but let's be real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Oct 21, 2013 -> 01:17 AM) There is no way the DBacks and especially the Cardinals would EVER offer those trades. I'd take those collections of players over Sale 8 days a week. I love the dude, but let's be real. "There is a price to get it done, but no team wants to pay it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 21, 2013 -> 10:38 AM) "There is a price to get it done, but no team wants to pay it." Reading is overrated. I'd rather say you suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 21, 2013 -> 11:38 AM) "There is a price to get it done, but no team wants to pay it." Then fine, consider my comment as saying that is a ridiculous overpay and Chris Sale isn't even close to being worth that collection of players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Vincent Rizzo Sports @vincentrizzosports MLB #NYYankee outfielder Curtis Granderson is VERY CLOSE to sign 5-YEAR DEAL W/ Chicago White Sox, deal worth 16 million per yr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 QUOTE (ChiSoxFan05 @ Oct 21, 2013 -> 04:42 PM) Vincent Rizzo Sports @vincentrizzosports MLB #NYYankee outfielder Curtis Granderson is VERY CLOSE to sign 5-YEAR DEAL W/ Chicago White Sox, deal worth 16 million per yr. No other sources have leaked this. Probably just some guy sitting in his basement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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