Marty34 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 11:10 AM) Marty is just trolling again. Dan Berstein brought up this concept of teams dumping bad contracts and sending along prospects as bait. He was also mentioning salary caps and other things thinking MLB is the NBA. Teams don't give up top prospects unless they are desperate. Teams also get an additional $25 million to play with starting this offseason. There is not one example of a team giving up a top prospect for taking on a bad contract. Then BJ Upton is mentioned. He is owed $60 million the next 4 years. What prospect, even if the Braves were so desperate to get rid of Upton, do they have that is worth that price? It isn't going to happen. The board panned the thought, Marty decided to bring it back for arguments. He is covering his bases though. He did mention a couple of months ago, the "heavy lifting" of a rebuild was done. He also mentioned if a rebuild was done "correctly" it could be accomplished in 2 years. Now he is saying 2016. No matter what happens, he will tell everyone he was the first to tell you what was going to happen. Just read his posts for comedy. Dick Allen I didn't expect any different from you. You have shown zero ability to think outside the box. Keep loving that Blue Jays rebuild fella ROFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 11:11 AM) See 2012 Cleveland Indians. Now its the Indians rebuild you are trumpeting. Good old after-the-fact Dick Allen strikes again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 11:14 AM) Dick Allen I didn't expect any different from you. You have shown zero ability to think outside the box. Keep loving that Blue Jays rebuild fella ROFL. Not a bad idea, but they had a ton of injuries. BJ Upton. Marty is ridiculous. But I won't take the bait and fight you anymore on this. The others all see what you are doing. BTW, you aren't thinking outside the box. You stole this from Dan Bernstein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 11:17 AM) Now its the Indians rebuild you are trumpeting. Good old after-the-fact Dick Allen strikes again. Trolling, trolling, trolling Marty is trolling Rawhide. Josh Hamilton, Andre Eithier, now BJ Upton. Marty couldn't GM a lemonade stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 11:18 AM) Not a bad idea, but they had a ton of injuries. BJ Upton. Marty is ridiculous. But I won't take the bait and fight you anymore on this. The others all see what you are doing. BTW, you aren't thinking outside the box. You stole this from Dan Bernstein. It's important for you to have safety in numbers, be part of a pack. Sad really. I stole an idea from Dan Bernstein, omg. First prove it, second who gives on damn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 11:17 AM) Now its the Indians rebuild you are trumpeting. Good old after-the-fact Dick Allen strikes again. Just showing you an example of something you said doesn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 11:23 AM) It's important for you to have safety in numbers, be part of a pack. Sad really. I stole an idea from Dan Bernstein, omg. First prove it, second who gives on damn? The thread is on this board from months ago. That's the proof. And if no one should give a damn, why don't you just admit you are bringing up old threads because you want to argue and bait? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 11:24 AM) Just showing you an example of something you said doesn't happen. Dick Allen you are a follower. The Indians are your plan now, I love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 11:17 AM) Now its the Indians rebuild you are trumpeting. Good old after-the-fact Dick Allen strikes again. No one has a clue how free agents will perform in the offseason. See Adam Dunn. Few thought the 2005 Sox would place better than 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 10:55 AM) The problem is this team itself. How do you go from losing 100 games to contending buying free agents. Doing what the Indians did last year. They added Bourn, Swisher, Raburn, Aviles, Stubbs, Gomes, and Giambi to a 94 loss team and now they're in the wild card hunt. Looks like I was a little to slow with that response. Edited September 14, 2013 by scs787 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 11:31 AM) No one has a clue how free agents will perform in the offseason. See Adam Dunn. Few thought the 2005 Sox would place better than 3rd. Absolutely, Dick Allen just likes to cast stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 11:35 AM) Absolutely, Dick Allen just likes to cast stones. I believe what kite was saying is every "model" we go after will be "after the fact". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 The Indians plan is not the one I want followed, but too each their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (scs787 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 11:47 AM) I believe what kite was saying is every "model" we go after will be "after the fact". Any thinking fan wants to stay as far away from what the Indians have done as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 12:50 PM) I think we should move Beckham at this point. At this point, I don't believe there is anything Semien can't do there except maybe the defense and that's considering the learning curve Semien would have. We need to get younger so Semien at 2B and picking up a young position player for CF/LF/3B could really help along with Avisail Garcia in RF. Replacing the 26 year old 2b isn't exactly what most people mean when they say "We need to get younger". Usually you say that about guys in their 30's who are past their prime, not guys still before their prime years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 12:52 PM) The Indians plan is not the one I want followed, but too each their own. We know you don't want it followed, you want the team to keep losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 11:52 AM) The Indians plan is not the one I want followed, but too each their own. Welp, you asked how a 100 loss team(94 might as well be 100) can contend by signing Free agents and we answered. Whether you like it or not it obviously can be done, and I don't think we need to add as much as they did to get it done due to our pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (scs787 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 12:58 PM) Welp, you asked how a 100 loss team(94 might as well be 100) can contend by signing Free agents and we answered. Whether you like it or not it obviously can be done, and I don't think we need to add as much as they did to get it done due to our pitching. We're actually even underperforming our run differential somewhat. What we really need as much as anything is to fix this team's mental state/focus. Their level of focus on the field is embarrassing. That might mean replacing some of the players, but it absolutely should fall on the coaching staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 11:57 AM) We know you don't want it followed, you want the team to keep losing. I'm a sart fan Balta, you are too even though we have our major disagreements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 11:55 AM) Any thinking fan wants to stay as far away from what the Indians have done as possible. lol huh??? "Thinking fans" don't wanna go from a 94 loss team to a potential wild card team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (scs787 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 11:58 AM) Welp, you asked how a 100 loss team(94 might as well be 100) can contend by signing Free agents and we answered. Whether you like it or not it obviously can be done, and I don't think we need to add as much as they did to get it done due to our pitching. High risk/low reward strategy is not the way to respond to this miserable season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 01:02 PM) High risk/low reward strategy is not the way to respond to this miserable season. "Pennant race" = low reward in marty's world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (scs787 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 12:01 PM) lol huh??? "Thinking fans" don't wanna go from a 94 loss team to a potential wild card team? At what price? This run certainly hasn't re-energized their fan base either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 12:02 PM) "Pennant race" = low reward in marty's world. You don't build your team with the goal of being in the pennant race which is what I believe the Indians have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 14, 2013 -> 01:04 PM) At what price? This run certainly hasn't re-energized their fan base either. Your plan to lose for years so that you can tell everyone how terrible the team is probably won't do a very good job of that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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