CWSpalehoseCWS Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (mike65 @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 07:00 PM) I am the "he" and I was quoting the poster over at Cards Talk. P.S. Can anyone on the board get Bucket to attest to how true this is and, if so, how close it might be? I was thinking the same, lol. I'd love for Bucket to drop in with a little something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike65 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 07:40 PM) I hope you stick around a bit after the trade deadline:) Thanks, I might do that. You've got a good board here. Edited July 24, 2013 by mike65 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (mike65 @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 06:57 PM) Thanks, I might do that. You've got a good board here. Wood, plastic, or made of card? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon_44 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 I don't understand why the Sox would have any interest in Wong. 2B is the one position where they seem to be okay. Beckham can be moved to SS. But Sanchez is probably more a 2b than SS. Johnson, for now, is a 2b. Then you have Semien and DeMichelle that have upside. I don't see how acquiring Wong is even in the equation, especially if he's the centerpiece of a deal. I like that Hahn is seeking guys that can help next year. Freese and Adams would be a very nice return. Right there is the corner IF's for the next 3-5 years. I don't thnk the Cards will include Freese though. Give me Adams, Martinez, and Anthony Garcia for Peavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 OK, guys, we have news or at least a rumor of news. On a Cardinals board (associated with the Post Dispatch), someone just posted that the WS want Adams, Freese, and Joe Kelly for Ramirez and Peavy. Supposedly, this was just mentioned on a Chicago sports talk radio station. The hang-up apparently is Freese, who the Cardinals don't want to trade. Take it for what it's worth. P.S. Supposedly, it is a FOX affiliated station. Only we would let a 30 year old scrub determine the blueprint of our rebuilding plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulstar Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 You can never have too many good looking ball players even if they all play the same position. The odds are highly against Sanchez, Johnson, Semien, and DeMichelle from ever doing anything in the big leagues. Same goes for Wong. But hey, maybe 2 or 3 of the guys actually pan out, and than you are in a position of power and are like the Cardinals where you are trying to find playing time for several good players who can also be used as trade chips. Plus, Wong is MLB ready, as opposed to all the other 2B in the system who are all at least another year away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 You just get as many potentially good big league hitters as you can and figure out the rest later. Wong is that guy. We can make room for him. Make it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 03:26 AM) Only we would let a 30 year old scrub determine the blueprint of our rebuilding plans. +1, which is why I don't buy this rumor at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulstar Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 I wouldn't consider Freese a scrub, but it would be highly unlikely he would be the hang up on such a deal. If anything, it would be Adams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 I'd still be pretty damn happy with Freese, Adams, Kelly. If it seems that the Cards are more keen to hold on to Freese than Wong...you take a hardline position - you want Freese. Then, hopefully, one of two things happens: A. Cards ask us to consider Wong instead B. We "give in" and ask for Wong. Then we get Wong, the guy we wanted all along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 07:23 PM) I don't understand why the Sox would have any interest in Wong Oh... I don't know.... Maybe it has to do with being the 79th highest rated prospect in all of baseball. Could be the advanced baseball IQ that's far beyond his years... Might be that the kid has put up solid numbers in every level in the minors... 2011 - .335 / .401 / .911 2012 - .287 / .348 / .754 2013 - .301 /. 359 / .824 He's got some pop, a good K/BB rate, has a good amount of speed, and is controlled for a loooooong time. Clocks not even started yet. Adams + Wong = Me Shocked Edited July 24, 2013 by hi8is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 09:33 PM) Oh... I don't know.... Maybe it has to do with being the 79th highest rated prospect in all of baseball. Could be the advanced baseball IQ that's far beyond his years... Might be that the kid has put up solid numbers in every level in the minors... Year Age Tm Lg Lev Aff G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB 2011 20 Quad Cities MIDW A STL 47 222 194 39 65 15 2 5 25 9 5 21 24 .335 .401 .510 .911 99 4 3 0 4 1 2012 21 Springfield TL AA STL 126 579 523 79 150 23 6 9 52 21 11 44 74 .287 .348 .405 .754 212 6 7 2 3 2 2013 22 Memphis PCL AAA STL 86 375 336 55 101 18 8 7 30 13 1 29 49 .301 .359 .464 .824 156 6 4 2 4 1 3 Seasons 259 1176 1053 173 316 56 16 21 107 43 17 94 147 .300 .362 .443 .805 467 16 14 4 11 4 The spacing makes this unreadable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 09:23 PM) I don't understand why the Sox would have any interest in Wong. 2B is the one position where they seem to be okay. Beckham can be moved to SS. But Sanchez is probably more a 2b than SS. Johnson, for now, is a 2b. Then you have Semien and DeMichelle that have upside. I don't see how acquiring Wong is even in the equation, especially if he's the centerpiece of a deal. I like that Hahn is seeking guys that can help next year. Freese and Adams would be a very nice return. Right there is the corner IF's for the next 3-5 years. I don't thnk the Cards will include Freese though. Give me Adams, Martinez, and Anthony Garcia for Peavy. The thought process would be that you don't pass up on the opportunity to acquire Wong who has a decent shot at becoming a first division second baseman (though his ceiling goes no higher than the ground floor of the 1st division) when your system is inundated with players who are serious long shots to ever reach that level. You don't pass up on a very good talent like Wong because of Micah Johnson, if by some miracle one of those guys does pan out, then you adjust accordingly down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 09:33 PM) Oh... I don't know.... Maybe it has to do with being the 79th highest rated prospect in all of baseball. Could be the advanced baseball IQ that's far beyond his years... Might be that the kid has put up solid numbers in every level in the minors... Year Age Tm Lg Lev Aff G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB 2011 20 Quad Cities MIDW A STL 47 222 194 39 65 15 2 5 25 9 5 21 24 .335 .401 .510 .911 99 4 3 0 4 1 2012 21 Springfield TL AA STL 126 579 523 79 150 23 6 9 52 21 11 44 74 .287 .348 .405 .754 212 6 7 2 3 2 2013 22 Memphis PCL AAA STL 86 375 336 55 101 18 8 7 30 13 1 29 49 .301 .359 .464 .824 156 6 4 2 4 1 3 Seasons 259 1176 1053 173 316 56 16 21 107 43 17 94 147 .300 .362 .443 .805 467 16 14 4 11 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 09:37 PM) The thought process would be that you don't pass up on the opportunity to acquire Wong who has a decent shot at becoming a first division second baseman (though his ceiling goes no higher than the ground floor of the 1st division) when your system is inundated with players who are serious long shots to ever reach that level. You don't pass up on a very good talent like Wong because of Micah Johnson, if by some miracle one of those guys does pan out, then you adjust accordingly down the line. What makes Wong so much more likely to stick in the pros than Semien? The stats you and hi8is posted were good but not great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 07:48 PM) What makes Wong so much more likely to stick in the pros than Semien? The stats you and hi8is posted were good but not great. You can't compare Semien to Wong until we see what Marcus does in AAA. I also don't know about his as much as Wong, he's a local around these parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon_44 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 10:33 PM) Oh... I don't know.... Maybe it has to do with being the 79th highest rated prospect in all of baseball. Could be the advanced baseball IQ that's far beyond his years... Might be that the kid has put up solid numbers in every level in the minors... 2011 - .335 / .401 / .911 2012 - .287 / .348 / .754 2013 - .301 /. 359 / .824 He's got some pop, a good K/BB rate, has a good amount of speed, and is controlled for a loooooong time. Clocks not even started yet. Adams + Wong = Me Shocked I never said he wasn't a potentially good player. But, unless the Sox are planning on reconstructing the Metrodome in downtown Chicago, I don't think a lineup consisting of 6-7 2b-types is going to be very effective. I wouldn't hate it the trade included him but I don't think he's a must get. I'd rather have the young 3B, Kelly, than Wong. He's farther away and may not pan out but Wong may never pan out either. Kelly would immediately become the #1 3B propsect in the Sox organization. Of course that would be by default because I don't know of another in the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Jake to Beantown has legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 03:03 AM) Jake to Beantown has legs. Any idea who we would be focused on there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 09:48 PM) What makes Wong so much more likely to stick in the pros than Semien? The stats you and hi8is posted were good but not great. Draft pedigree and professional scouting analysis. It's pretty much all I have to go on since I haven't scouted either in person or on tape. Has little to do with statistics, I'm aware of the bloated stat lines of PCL hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 10:03 PM) Jake to Beantown has legs. They have plenty of pitching prospects. Owens, Barnes, Webster, Ranaudo, Workman, Britton etc. I would love Cecchini but I have a feeling that it's wishful thinking. Other than that I like Swihart and Mookie. Not huge on Brentz, Iglesias, or Marrero though. Edited July 24, 2013 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike65 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 09:03 PM) Any idea who we would be focused on there? Does the rumor that I posted this afternoon (heard on a Chicago radio station) have any merit? It is back two or three pages. Thanks. Hell, I meant this for Bucket! Edited July 24, 2013 by mike65 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Watch Peavy end up in Miami or some random ass place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 10:03 PM) Any idea who we would be focused on there? Closer it gets the less I can say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 10:12 PM) Closer it gets the less I can say. Any clue if this St.L business is true? Thanks for sharing. We're all pretty much just checking here all day to see when you post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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