Peavy to Boston, Avisail Garcia + 3 low lv specs to Sox

[Dunt]

Really hope Hahn has something up his sleeve for tomorrow

[Wanne]

Really hope Hahn has something up his sleeve for tomorrow

 

me too. I'm not feeling the big Garcia wood that most seem to have on here...maybe I'll have morning Garcia wood but in all likelihood won't. and for the 3rd time tonight...f*** you kevin towers!

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

I can't believe how many people hate this deal, or have any opinion other than us doing very nicely in this deal. Peavy was f***ing injured just a couple weeks ago, he has been injured for half his time in the Sox uniform. We traded essentially NOTHING to get Peavy in the first place, and now we get in return a very promising young OF, and 3 low-level prospects that seem to each have a plus tool respectively. The rumors going around must have inflated everyone's value of Peavy over what was actual. I saw reports that said the best guy the DBacks would relinquish was David Holmberg. I'd take Avisail Garcia over Holmberg 8 days out of the week. If Davidson or Owings were available, then that sucks we missed out, but we also have no idea if Towers only wanted a 1 for 1 swap of those guys, or maybe 1 of them + a low level guy, but the Sox eating $5-10M of Peavy's deal. We have no idea.

 

I am COMPLETELY content with this deal. I think we got a haul very comparable to what the Cubs got for Garza. We got the best guy of all those prospects, the Cubs got the 2nd and 3rd best, while shedding a lot less payroll. It's a trade-off, IMO.

[danman31]

Think we should have gotten some/a prospect(s) who was/were further along with a couple A ball lottery tickets.

I don't understand. Isn't that exactly what this deal is? Garcia has 139 MLB plate appearances to his name. That's as far along as a prospect can get (almost literally if you say they aren't prospects once they hit 150 PA like most places). The Sox also got 3 A ball lottery tickets and Montas has some legit value.

 

If people want to compare this to the Garza deal, I think this is better. Olt and Grimm should have just about as much value as the A ball throw ins the Sox got tonight. Neither one has even proven they can hack it in even AAA and both turn 25 in less than a month. Then you're comparing Edwards to Garcia, which can be debated.

 

Peavy has an ERA above 4. He's not going to bring in a massive haul. This is a good haul and the Sox didn't have to give any money. It's a productive trade for the future of this club. The Sox need young hitting talent at so many positions and this is one less to worry about.

[SoxAce]

Alot of posters sleeping on Montas. Kid might be the gem of this trade if he can harness his control. Really, really like his arm.

[Rowand44]

Alot of posters sleeping on Montas. Kid might be the gem of this trade if he can harness his control. Really, really like his arm.

Can you really see him making it as a starter though? I wouldn't be shocked if he makes it to the majors because of his arm but I'm sure it'll be as a reliever.

[JoshPR]

I think this is a nice haul. Garcia is gonna be a good player

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

I think what he is getting at (and what isn't an unreasonable feeling to have) is as a Sox fan we have just witnessed yet another "toolsy" guy get brought into our system. This may in fact finally be the one who pans out, or at the least, plays some MLB level baseball. None of us know what the future holds for this kid, but we all do know that we've seen a dozen of these type guys come into the system under KW with the same type of hype. I think it is more or less frustration on the part of those unhappy because we have seen this type of player fail everytime so far.

 

Personally, I'm excited. However, it would be nice to just get a "ballplayer" for a change instead of an athlete. Being that we weren't getting top 30 lock caliber players, you had to make a move for "lottery tickets" and I'd say he is one of the best ones out there. If he puts it together, time will tell. I will say that his swing to contact rate is scary. 22 years old or not, that needs to improve and soon.

Sorry don't get what's wrong with toolsy . Some of the best baseball players of all time had many many tools. Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Mickey Mantle just to name a few. You're picking out a word like toolsy , before that it was grinder. It's catchy and easy to dismiss or joke about when those guys don't work out . What do you say about all the other minor leaguers who don't work out ? Many kids these days play multiple sports we're lucky the athletic ones chose baseball over football and basketball but don't hold it against them that they are big and fast and athletic or play football too.

[Rowand44]

Sorry don't get what's wrong with toolsy . Some of the best baseball players of all time had many many tools. Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Mickey Mantle just to name a few. You're picking out a word like toolsy , before that it was grinder. It's catchy and easy to dismiss or joke about when those guys don't work out . What do you say about all the other minor leaguers who don't work out ? Many kids these days play multiple sports we're lucky the athletic ones chose baseball over football and basketball but don't hold it against them that they are big and fast and athletic or play football too.

People are skeptical because this organization has been enamored with "toolsy" outfielders for years now and have yet to develop one. Obviously Garcia is his own animal here and needs to be judged as so but I definitely understand why people would be worried about acquiring a player like him.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

People are skeptical because this organization has been enamored with "toolsy" outfielders for years now and have yet to develop one. Obviously Garcia is his own animal here and needs to be judged as so but I definitely understand why people would be worried about acquiring a player like him.

How many years is years ? Who before Mitchell ?

 

I like Garcia , I like our what 12th ranked prospect just looked damn good in his start. And Erik Johnson is supposed to be better ? Sorry can't be upset today(yesterday).

 

[Buehrle>Wood]

Welp, I can't say I am ecstatic but I am cautiously optimistic. Think we shouldsingle e gottenprospecte/a prospect(s) who was/were further along with a couple A ball lottery tickets.

Yeah it is pretty shocking that the Tigers and White Sox both somehow let the Red Sox grab perhaps the best player on the market without giving up a single top ten prospect in their system. People made jokes that we were simply lucky to be talking to the sacred Red Sox, but looks like that was true afterall, ha. Their arrogant fans were right and then some. We will see what happens though. Doesn't mean it won't workout for us though.

Edited July 31, 2013 by Buehrle>Wood

[LittleHurt05]

Yeah it is pretty shocking that the Tigers and White Sox both somehow let the Red Sox grab perhaps the best player on the market without giving up a single top ten prospect in their system. People made jokes that we were simply lucky to be talking to the sacred Red Sox, but looks like that was true afterall, ha. Their arrogant fans were right and then some. We will see what happens though. Doesn't mean it won't workout for us though.

 

It sounds like Peter Gammons got to you too! Cherington did a good job of finding a desperate contender so he could only give up a lower rated but major league ready player.

[cabiness42]

It looks like everything happened right after I shut off the computer last night.

 

I don't mind this trade IF it means that the Sox can get a better return for Rios because they are now able to eat money. I'm good with eating up to 75% of Rios' deal if it nets better prospects.

 

I also like that the Tigers massively overpaid to get a shortstop to cover for Peralta's suspension.

[caulfield12]

How many years is years ? Who before Mitchell ?

 

I like Garcia , I like our what 12th ranked prospect just looked damn good in his start. And Erik Johnson is supposed to be better ? Sorry can't be upset today(yesterday).

 

 

Well, there's Kenny Williams, lol.

 

Joking. We had another group of four about a decade ago in Chris Young, Brian Anderson, Anthony Webster and Jeremy Reed.

 

One of them turned out to be "decent," just not for us.

 

Then you have Josh Fields (who essentially was a LFer/DH playing 3B) and Joe Borchard.

 

 

If you want to say Aaron Rowand was toolsy and not a grinder/overachiever type, okay.

Edited July 31, 2013 by caulfield12

[SoxnGiants]

Okay return, not terrible but not great.

 

But what the hell was Detroit thinking? They must like Iglesias a heck of a lot more than I do, that looks like someone buying high to me. Either meaning of "buying high" may be applicable.

[cabiness42]

Okay return, not terrible but not great.

 

But what the hell was Detroit thinking? They must like Iglesias a heck of a lot more than I do, that looks like someone buying high to me. Either meaning of "buying high" may be applicable.

 

Detroit was thinking that they are trying to win this year and their current shortstop is about to go away for 50 games.

[caulfield12]

Detroit was thinking that they are trying to win this year and their current shortstop is about to go away for 50 games.

 

 

And that waiting for the official announcement/suspension/appeal would make a deal for a SS even more expensive from their standpoint...as they weren't willing to go with Santiago or Hernan (rookie 2B/SS).

 

If he doesn't appeal, Peralta would/could come back five days before the end of the regular season.

 

 

 

“But we would not have made a deal that we didn’t feel comfortable making to this magnitude unless this type of player involved was coming back,” Dombrowski said. “We always have thought that we might have to trade one of our young outfielders for another hole we would have for the future.”

 

The White Sox assigned Garcia to Triple-A Charlotte. He doesn’t figure to play for them in this weekend’s series with the Tigers at Comerica Park. But Dombrowski knows that Garcia, 22, will play a lot of games against the Tigers in their Central Division match-up.

 

The Chicago Sun-Times said Garcia was the key to deal for the White Sox. “Garcia is is a very young, five-tool player who already has spent time in the major leagues,” White Sox general manager Rick Hahn told the Sun-Times. “Our scouts are extremely optimistic about his future and view him as a potential impact talent for many years to come.”

 

www.freep.com/sports

[thxfrthmmrs]

On the bright side, this means we can shed about $40 million in payroll next season (could be more pending Rios and Alexei deals), and we got a slightly higher upside version of Tank to fill his position. Not bad.

 

Since the Red Sox clearly STOLE this deal, I also think there's a bonus kicker where the Red Sox will force Ellsbury to sign with the White Sox in the offseason for a discounted deal

Edited July 31, 2013 by thxfrthmmrs

[caulfield12]

Two years ago, the Boston Red Sox do not make this trade. They do not give up Jose Iglesias and his metallurgical glove, they do not cede an A-ball pitcher named Frank Montas whose fastball pops triple digits on radar guns, they do not bother saying yes to two more prospects named Cleuluis Rondon and J.B. Wendelken.

 

This trade happened because of the second wild card.

 

If there is a compelling argument for watering down the baseball postseason, this is it: Teams really, truly, desperately want to win their division and avoid the one-game playoff between wild-card teams. And so the Red Sox, a half-game back of the Tampa Bay Rays in the American League East, dealt four players, none older than 23, to acquire Jake Peavy, the biggest on-the-market difference-maker who wasn’t going to cost Boston an arm, leg and internal organ to be named later.

 

Peavy, 32, comes with a thick medical folder and a fat contract (about $20 million through next season), neither of which could overwhelm Boston’s biggest need: an impact pitcher. Clay Buchholz, the Red Sox’s ostensible No. 1, remains in disabled-list limbo. Jon Lester actually has the worst ERA among their starters, Ryan Dempster has pitched beyond seven innings in one of 21 starts, Felix Doubront in one of 19. John Lackey is Boston’s best pitcher.

 

And if they plan on dueling with Tampa Bay (David Price, Matt Moore, Jeremy Hellickson, Chris Archer, Alex Cobb and a starters’ ERA of 2.21 with less than a baserunner an inning since June 23), the Red Sox needed more ammunition, something to counterbalance perhaps the most devastating offense in baseball. Though it is not in Boston’s DNA to sit around, the precision with which the Red Sox struck – waiting for Chicago’s price to come down, flirting with Cliff Lee and not giving up a single elite prospect – was impressive, another stealth move in a year of them for Red Sox general manager Ben Cherington.

 

Perhaps no GM is having as good a year as Cherington. Lest we not forget: The Red Sox were a blithering disaster at this point last season. Only a year and five days ago, Adrian Gonzalez sent the text heard ’round New England. Players were miserable. Bobby Valentine was a wreck. Internally and externally, the Red Sox were a joke. (SOUND FAMILIAR???)

 

To go from that, the worst Red Sox season in more than four decades, back into contention a year later is a testament to Cherington’s maneuvers. He dumped $300 million of Gonzalez, Carl Crawford and Josh Beckett’s contracts (thanks, Dodgers), actually got to hire the manager this time (and made the right choice in John Farrell), reinvented the clubhouse culture with free-agent signings (even if he overpaid) and made some excellent scrap-heap pickups (Mike Carp: .324/.387/.614). The Red Sox weren’t nearly as bad as their record last year indicated. Cherington wants to make sure this year they’re as good as the near-.600 baseball they’ve played all season.

 

The Rays’ financial constraints prevent them from making a move like this, though it wasn’t just money that allowed Boston to pursue Peavy, Cliff Lee, Bud Norris and others. The growth of the Red Sox’s farm system over the last season has been staggering. Iglesias could go because 20-year-old Xander Bogaerts is big league-ready now and can take over at shortstop next season. If Will Middlebrooks struggles at third base, Bogaerts is an option there in the short term, at least until Garin Cecchini – “A lot like Alex Gordon,” one talent evaluator opined – is ready, which shouldn’t be too long.

 

It’s them and Jackie Bradley Jr. and Henry Owens and Anthony Ranaudo and Allen Webster and Trey Ball and Blake Swihart and so many other prospects primed to turn this incarnation of the Red Sox into mid-2000s redux, when Boston’s farm system spit out prospects like a vending machine. Need a second baseman? Press B3 for Dustin Pedroia.

 

With money and prospect capital to spend, the Red Sox looped in the Tigers, who needed a shortstop to replace the soon-to-be-suspended Jhonny Peralta, and got them to send outfielder Avisail Garcia to the White Sox as Chicago’s centerpiece of the trade. It strengthened Detroit, and Boston was OK with that, because October is a crapshoot.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/red-sox-motiv...-063933783.html

[Eminor3rd]

You didn't say I couldn't name one but give me your example of what you mean is terrible plate disciplne for a 21 year old who hit .380 .

 

It's his 22-25% strikeout rates and 3-5% walk rates every year. and the fact that his O-Swing im the majors is 41%, FORTY ONE PERCENT: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=OF

 

That kind of stuff often works out in the minors against bad pitchers that can't locate consistently, but you can count on one hand the amount of above average Major Leaguers that have that level of hackitude. Once the league figures out where the holes in the swing are, they start feeding you nothing but what you can't hit, and if you refuse to stop swinging at it, you tend to suck.

 

Obviously he might learn to be better, but it doesn't happen often, and I've NEVER seen it happen in the White Sox system. I'll be very excited if he's the first, but I'm disappointed that Hahn -- especially if he was going to settle for just one notable prospect -- couldn't leverage Peavy into a guy that's more polished than this for his age.

[caulfield12]

On the bright side, this means we can shed about $40 million in payroll next season (could be more pending Rios and Alexei deals), and we got a slightly higher upside version of Tank to fill his position. Not bad.

 

Since the Red Sox clearly STOLE this deal, I also think there's a bonus kicker where the Red Sox will force Ellsbury to sign with the White Sox in the offseason for a discounted deal

 

 

Until Peavy breaks down again....well, actually, it would be pretty amazing if he stays healthy for the next 1 1/3rd or 2 1/3rd seasons, but we'll see.

 

It wasn't too long ago they took Jenks and ended up with eggs on their faces.

[Eminor3rd]

Two years ago, the Boston Red Sox do not make this trade. They do not give up Jose Iglesias and his metallurgical glove, they do not cede an A-ball pitcher named Frank Montas whose fastball pops triple digits on radar guns, they do not bother saying yes to two more prospects named Cleuluis Rondon and J.B. Wendelken.

 

This trade happened because of the second wild card.

 

With money and prospect capital to spend, the Red Sox looped in the Tigers, who needed a shortstop to replace the soon-to-be-suspended Jhonny Peralta, and got them to send outfielder Avisail Garcia to the White Sox as Chicago’s centerpiece of the trade. It strengthened Detroit, and Boston was OK with that, because October is a crapshoot.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/red-sox-motiv...-063933783.html

 

So interesting how differently this guy sees this. Looks like highway robbery by the Red Sox to most, it seems.

[Princess Dye]

So interesting how differently this guy sees this. Looks like highway robbery by the Red Sox to most, it seems.

 

Well if you read the rest of the article, he actually feels great about the trade from the BOS perspective

[LittleHurt05]

So interesting how differently this guy sees this. Looks like highway robbery by the Red Sox to most, it seems.

 

He's not saying that it's a bad trade for Boston. He is implying that two years ago, Boston would rather stand pat on win the wild card than spend $20 mil on Peavy and give up a few prospects. But the randomness of the new wild-card game forced them to be aggressive and go for the division.

[Balta1701]

How many years is years ? Who before Mitchell ?

Brian Anderson and Chris Young were athletic, toolsy outfielders who didn't live up to their potential once they got to the bigs.