Chisoxfn Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Aug 1, 2013 -> 07:06 PM) Yeah, Paulie was supposed to be the Dodgers' catcher of the future..... Remember the season (I think under Jerry Manuel) where the White Sox briefly experimented with Paulie at 3rd. I want to say it lasted one or two games and they never did it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 12:27 AM) Tigers signing Damon was so long because at one point, we all thought the Sox were the team that was going to sign him. The good thing is...Soxtalk clearly still has traffic...recent moves have been the top traffic getters. Just wait till this team gets back to the playoffs and wins another series!!! Maybe I'm not recalling correctly, but I feel like that was an instance of a ST insider sharing some info that didn't materialize. Wasn't there something Damon having a big dick too? Or is that public info? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 1, 2013 -> 10:31 PM) Maybe I'm not recalling correctly, but I feel like that was an instance of a ST insider sharing some info that didn't materialize. Wasn't there something Damon having a big dick too? Or is that public info? I think there were reports as well. It came right down to the wire but I think there was some inside stuff as well there. In hindsight, Damon wouldn't have made a hill of beans difference that year. Can't help you on the dick part, I have no earthly idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Well now that we're talking about Johnny Damon's penis, I think now is probably a good time to unpin this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 08:15 AM) Well now that we're talking about Johnny Damon's penis, I think now is probably a good time to unpin this thread What? This thread is just getting started! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 **Grabs popcorn** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Aug 1, 2013 -> 02:44 PM) I'd like someone to show DA's or my argument wrong about the draft. You can't. There is no consistent correlation between losing and having a productive farm. A week ago when we were speculating about which teams we wanted to trade with because of their great farms who did we turn to? The Rangers (they have a couple pennants and have been competitive for 5 years or so), the Cardinals (who have been winning for years) and the D-Backs (usually middle of the pack). Why are those teams so successful without drafting in the top ten? I'm not sure there is an argument to be made that shows you cannot get a generational type player later in the draft...and there is also no argument to be made which shows you would rather have a terrible team than a competitive one. But if the argument is "Do we want to be pretty darn sucky, or absolutely f***ing sucky?", I don't think it is much of an argument, especially with our fanbase, which doesn't even show up when we are in first place. There is no disputing you would prefer to have a higher pick in the draft than a lower one, and if the only consideration is whether we lose 100 games instead of 92 games, I don't see what the damn difference is. Sucky is sucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 The Rays had Top 1-2-3 draft picks for how many years? Josh Hamilton, BJ Upton, Delmon Young, David Price, Longoria, Moore, etc. Dewon Brazelton was also right up there, because they were afraid to deal with Boras/Teixeira. Now Rosenbloom's going after Hahn for trading for a RFer when that position is still occupied by Rios. Guess he has SOMETHING of a point, although the remainder of this season doesn't matter much, and there's still August and the offseason to figure out how to get rid of Alex. Rosenbloom's suggestion was benching Viciedo and/or DeAza, BUT benching Viciedo for the next two months doesn't do anything at all to help the Sox...there is, however, no reason they couldn't play Garcia everyday and rotate Dunn/Rios/DeAza at-bats, if they chose to go down that path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 12:16 PM) The Rays had Top 1-2-3 draft picks for how many years? Josh Hamilton, BJ Upton, Delmon Young, David Price, Longoria, Moore, etc. Dewon Brazelton was also right up there, because they were afraid to deal with Boras/Teixeira. Now Rosenbloom's going after Hahn for trading for a RFer when that position is still occupied by Rios. Guess he has SOMETHING of a point, although the remainder of this season doesn't matter much, and there's still August and the offseason to figure out how to get rid of Alex. Rosenbloom's suggestion was benching Viciedo and/or DeAza, BUT benching Viciedo for the next two months doesn't do anything at all to help the Sox...there is, however, no reason they couldn't play Garcia everyday and rotate Dunn/Rios/DeAza at-bats, if they chose to go down that path. Rios will be moved this month. It will be moot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 11:18 AM) Rios will be moved this month. It will be moot. Hopefully he passes THROUGH all the waivers and the Sox can get something back in return. If not, we'll just have to be satisfied with dumping his contract, which isn't the worst thing in the world, honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 I'm sure this has been beaten to death, but I still don't really care for Avisail Garcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 1, 2013 -> 08:25 PM) Funny looking at the other longest threads in PHT history. Next up is us acquiring Manny, lol. And after that it is Peavy rejecting a deal to us, again lol. Then the Tigers signing Damon, uh okay. And then us trading for Edwin Jackson, how exciting. I would have to say the circumstances surrounding that trade contributed to its size. Once Rizzo pulled the rug out, that thread exploded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 12:25 PM) Hopefully he passes THROUGH all the waivers and the Sox can get something back in return. If not, we'll just have to be satisfied with dumping his contract, which isn't the worst thing in the world, honestly. No, we don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 01:32 PM) No, we don't Actually we might have to be...depends on what they want to do with Garcia though. If they want him starting...there's no starting spot in the OF right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-08...n-dayan-viciedo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 01:54 PM) http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-08...n-dayan-viciedo Oh good, an unfunny, whiny rosenbloom article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 11:32 AM) No, we don't What makes you think we could get anything more than salary relief for him? We're losing all the leverage and negotiating with just one team....not 10-15. The White Sox are better off just dumping him and letting Garcia play his natural position....it's not like they have to keep him (Rios), like the situation with Alexei Ramirez not really having anyone yet who could step in and take that position over until at least mid-season 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 11:56 AM) Oh good, an unfunny, whiny rosenbloom article. It also as if he hasn't been paying attention to anything Viciedo has done at all for the last month or so....lazy writing, again. Doubt he's even watched a single Sox game since the Cubs-Sox series at the end of May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 06:53 PM) Actually we might have to be...depends on what they want to do with Garcia though. If they want him starting...there's no starting spot in the OF right now. Maybe we keep Rios? I doubt it though, but rather than being forced into some salary dump for a pretty good ball player let's consider off season trades. Garcia will be up soon enough. I actually think Viciedo is the disappointment this year and not Rios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 01:58 PM) Maybe we keep Rios? I doubt it though, but rather than being forced into some salary dump for a pretty good ball player let's consider off season trades. Garcia will be up soon enough. I actually think Viciedo is the disappointment this year and not Rios Obviously Viciedo is the disappointment this year out of the two, but Viciedo is also the one under team control a lot longer. He's part of the possible long-term future if he can be developed, Rios is not. That's why you move Rios for nothing other than salary savings at some point to clear space for Garcia if you have to move someone. Alternatively one of them could be moved to 1b, but as we've noted that does negate the advantage which is Viciedo's arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 01:58 PM) It also as if he hasn't been paying attention to anything Viciedo has done at all for the last month or so....lazy writing, again. Doubt he's even watched a single Sox game since the Cubs-Sox series at the end of May. For a while he had some good one-liners, I can't tell if I've just grown out of them or he's gotten lazier. Death-spiral Dave was always a nickname of his I liked though (For Wannsteadt). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 11:58 AM) Maybe we keep Rios? I doubt it though, but rather than being forced into some salary dump for a pretty good ball player let's consider off season trades. Garcia will be up soon enough. I actually think Viciedo is the disappointment this year and not Rios The money wasted on Floyd, Peavy, Konerko, Jeff Keppinger, Rios (not for performance as much as attitude/clubhouse/chemistry), Dunn and John Danks this year has hurt us 10X as much as Viciedo having a disappointing season. To paraphrase Marty, Alex Rios will not be a member of the next White Sox playoff team...Viciedo and Garcia at least have decent to good shots to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 02:06 PM) The money wasted on Floyd, Peavy, Konerko, Jeff Keppinger, Rios (not for performance as much as attitude/clubhouse/chemistry), Dunn and John Danks this year has hurt us 10X as much as Viciedo having a disappointing season. To paraphrase Marty, Alex Rios will not be a member of the next White Sox playoff team...Viciedo and Garcia at least have decent to good shots to be there. Outside of Konerko I totally disagree with that statement. The money was not wasted on Peavy. Floyd got hurt, that does happen to guys. Keppinger is paid a pittance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 12:00 PM) Obviously Viciedo is the disappointment this year out of the two, but Viciedo is also the one under team control a lot longer. He's part of the possible long-term future if he can be developed, Rios is not. That's why you move Rios for nothing other than salary savings at some point to clear space for Garcia if you have to move someone. Alternatively one of them could be moved to 1b, but as we've noted that does negate the advantage which is Viciedo's arm. If Viciedo doesn't put up at least a 750-775 OPS next season, I'll be more than happy to throw in the towel and move on. But he gets one more year, hopefully without Dunn/Rios/Ramirez/DeAza around... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 11:00 AM) Obviously Viciedo is the disappointment this year out of the two, but Viciedo is also the one under team control a lot longer. He's part of the possible long-term future if he can be developed, Rios is not. That's why you move Rios for nothing other than salary savings at some point to clear space for Garcia if you have to move someone. Alternatively one of them could be moved to 1b, but as we've noted that does negate the advantage which is Viciedo's arm. Viciedo has made major strides. I really can't call that a dissapointment. He was raw and the development he's made has been great and is positioning him to turn into a good offensive player. Now, if next year, he's still putting up numbers like this year, then its time to end the experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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