Peavy to Boston, Avisail Garcia + 3 low lv specs to Sox

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Starting him would also show the Sox would be content keeping him. If teams want to play games, play games right back. His value is decreased for the acquiring team this year by one start but the total package shouldn't change. I think while it won't be the original asking price because you should aim high, Hahn will ultimately get what he originally was willing to trade him for or more by tomorrow afternoon. If not, start him. Why settle?

You show you're content with keeping him after 7/31 . There's no way you start him tomorrow. The only thing starting him tomorrow would show is the Sox are idiots.

[iamshack]

The Sox ought to go into tomorrow with every intention of starting him unless someone meets their price. Having him set as the starter should be the motivation to get a deal done before the outing.

I agree. I am sure they have a contingency plan in place for Jake being traded; however, you've got to plan on him starting tomorrow, otherwise, I really think it weakens your negotiating position.

 

 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Then you are doubling the risk. Not only is it possible that Bundy may have been a bust without surgery, then you have to be certain that he comes back 100% from the surgery which is not a guarantee either. Just don't see it as the smartest move given Peavy's value right now.

Thank you. If PV is traded we are getting healthy bodies .

[Al Lopez's Ghost]

I agree. I am sure they have a contingency plan in place for Jake being traded; however, you've got to plan on him starting tomorrow, otherwise, I really think it weakens your negotiating position.

If I remember correctly, Rienzo or Johnson are on the same day rotation as Peavy. And there's always Axelrod. Unfortunately.

[GGajewski18]

If I remember correctly, Rienzo or Johnson are on the same day rotation as Peavy. And there's always Axelrod. Unfortunately.

 

Rienzo is. And if Peavy is traded, it will definitely be Axelrod.

[Balta1701]

If I remember correctly, Rienzo or Johnson are on the same day rotation as Peavy. And there's always Axelrod. Unfortunately.

Rienzo is. Johnson pitched last night and they pulled hiim after 2.1 innings/66 pitches.

[royoung]

Then you are doubling the risk. Not only is it possible that Bundy may have been a bust without surgery, then you have to be certain that he comes back 100% from the surgery which is not a guarantee either. Just don't see it as the smartest move given Peavy's value right now.

 

Depends on exactly what other team's best offer is. If the A's offer Russell, Cards offer Adams/Martinez, Boston offers Bogarts, etc etc, then you take those offers but if Bundy is your consolation prize...that's a hell of a get.

[Eminor3rd]

If Bundy is the centerpiece of a Peavy deal, then Rick Hahn failed miserably. I don't care how talented Bundy is. You don't give up the top pitcher on the market for a guy who just had major surgery. The Sox aren't trading Paul Malholm here. Not everybody recovers well from Tommy John either.

 

That's a LOT of upside though...

[royoung]

Rienzo is. Johnson pitched last night and they pulled hiim after 2.1 innings/66 pitches.

 

Just being cautious with him. First start off the DL, didn't want the pitches to pile up. Rienzo is pitching extremely well right now and age appropriate, he gets the call.

[NCsoxfan]

Does anyone think Boston would actually trade Bogaerts?

[GreenSox]

If you make the Peavy move happen, other dominoes have time to fall.

Okay. I guess that could be.

If we get deal him, say, without paying much salary, we can then offer money to get Rios and Dunn out of town.

[royoung]

Does anyone think Boston would actually trade Bogaerts?

 

Honestly no. But they have a lot of nice prospects in a tier just below him that we are probably working on.

[GGajewski18]

Does anyone think Boston would actually trade Bogaerts?

 

No not at all. If Hahn pulls that off, I'll go absolutely nuts.

 

And Rosenthal the Sox are not trading Chris Sale. GOOD

[Frank_Thomas]

Honestly no. But they have a lot of nice prospects in a tier just below him that we are probably working on.

 

Someone like Cecchini, who I'd still be enaromerd with. I'd be happy with either Xander, Cecchini, or Iglesis as a starting point. I just don't think I want Will Middlebrooks he scares me but also could be a Hanley type thing were Boston trades him and regrets it for a while because of a slump

[royoung]

No not at all. If Hahn pulls that off, I'll go absolutely nuts.

 

And Rosenthal the Sox are not trading Chris Sale. GOOD

 

Good for a number of reasons and it would absolutely ruin the Peavy market as well haha

[royoung]

Someone like Cecchini, who I'd still be enaromerd with. I'd be happy with either Xander, Cecchini, or Iglesis as a starting point. I just don't think I want Will Middlebrooks he scares me but also could be a Hanley type thing were Boston trades him and regrets it for a while because of a slump

 

NO MIDDLEBROOKS. I don't want your used good Boston. But yes, Cecchini and possible one of their big pitching prospects, Owens, Webster, Barnes, Ball, Ranuado.

[Eminor3rd]

Bogaerts isn't moving. Honestly, I'd be happy with any deal with Boston that includes Cecchini. If you can get one of their pitchers too, that's great, but Cechinni + a couple org players seems like a reasonable deal for both sides.

 

EDIT: And yes, NO MIDDLEBROOKS

Edited July 29, 2013 by Eminor3rd

[harfman77]

Then you are doubling the risk. Not only is it possible that Bundy may have been a bust without surgery, then you have to be certain that he comes back 100% from the surgery which is not a guarantee either. Just don't see it as the smartest move given Peavy's value right now.

 

You are doubling the risk factors, not necessarily the total amount of risk. However the risk of him busting is pretty low as he already has made it to the majors. It is a legit top 10 prospect, top of the rotation type of guy that if you have a chance to get you have to take it. His floor now is back end of the bullpen and he could fall anywhere between there and the moon. It is pretty moot anyway as I dont think there is anyway that the Orioles would give him up for Peavy.

[harfman77]

Does anyone think Boston would actually trade Bogaerts?

 

I think they definitely would in the right deal, though not to us for what we would send back. If it were a deal for Sale, then yes, I think Bogaerts could be had.

[Buehrle>Wood]

I think they definitely would in the right deal, though not to us for what we would send back. If it were a deal for Sale, then yes, I think Bogaerts could be had.

Uh, you think?

[Dick Allen]

You show you're content with keeping him after 7/31 . There's no way you start him tomorrow. The only thing starting him tomorrow would show is the Sox are idiots.

I think it would show they are desperate to move him, and if anything, encourage teams not to pay too much. The Sox need to keep the leverage. I think it will all be moot anyway.

[NCsoxfan]

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....articleid=21375

[2nd_city_saint787]

To go along with the fail rate of prospects that has been talked about....Middlebrooks was the Red Sox top prospect 2 years ago....He very well could be in the midst of the dreaded sophomore slump though so I wouldn't add him to that percentage just yet.

[royoung]

I think it would show they are desperate to move him, and if anything, encourage teams not to pay too much. The Sox need to keep the leverage. I think it will all be moot anyway.

 

I would say have every indication you are planning on starting him, but ask for team's final and best offers Tuesday morning. If not what you have looking for, have him pitch and be done with it. If someone blows you away Wednesday before the deadline so be it. Sox could always trade him this winter to a team that doesn't want to part with the king's ransom that Price will demand.

[Balta1701]

To go along with the fail rate of prospects that has been talked about....Middlebrooks was the Red Sox top prospect 2 years ago....He very well could be in the midst of the dreaded sophomore slump though so I wouldn't add him to that percentage just yet.

There's a lot of problems with the guy though. His minor league numbers aren't all that great; I looked at them a while back and found them to be somewhat comparable to Gillaspie.

 

He has more power than Conor but Conor makes better contact. Neither one of them is especially distinguished in OBP as a consequence.

 

Middlebrooks had a great 2 months at the big league level last year, but I think a legit comparison for him is Tyler Flowers. He's a guy who if he ever got it could put up some serious power and RBI numbers, but he strikes out too much right now and that will probably keep him from being a real solid MLB player.

 

I think he'd be somewhat of an upgrade on Gillaspie but the odds are not a huge one, unless the Sox could help him get the strikeouts under control, which they've shown a poor record of doing. I'd take him if a team was giving him away, but I don't think he's a very big upgrade over what we already have at 3b right now, at least not enough to be a centerpiece of a deal.