Eminor3rd Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 What are the knocks on Gatewood? Every time I see a write-up, he sounds like a monster, yet some people are showing him falling to like 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Any of Rodon, Hoffman or Beede will be great picks; Beede has certainly been getting even more hype lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Mar 12, 2014 -> 02:27 PM) What are the knocks on Gatewood? Every time I see a write-up, he sounds like a monster, yet some people are showing him falling to like 20. High bust chance and signability issues seem to be the difficulties with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Mar 12, 2014 -> 02:27 PM) What are the knocks on Gatewood? Every time I see a write-up, he sounds like a monster, yet some people are showing him falling to like 20. He is 6'5'' 190 so very unlikely he will stay at SS. In his swing he takes a long stride with a exaggerated toe tap that will likely lead to a lot of K's. He has tremendous power and when he makes contact he hits the ball hard. Upside could be a 3B with 30-40 homers but downside is a strikeout king at AA. If we were picking in the teens or early 20's I'd be excited to take a chance on him, but at #3 I would pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 One more recent mock http://mlbdraftinsider.com/2014/03/the-mock-2014-volume-i/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Take this with a grain of salt of course, but some tidbits from Keith Law's chat today. He doesn't believe Rodon is the "clear" 1-1 anymore and has been "passed by a few guys." He declined to mention specifics, citing his rankings being released next week, but said that you could make an argument for Kolek, Gatewood, Jackson, Hoffman, Beede. His rationale is that his "fastball has been average, command average or a tick below, and he's not missing bats." Said that scouts/execs are "backing away from him." As far as other top pitching prospects, he believes Hoffman is the best of the Beede, Hoffman, Kolek trio. Calls Hoffman a "plus plus athlete with easy velocity and the potential for a plus curveball." Says that Beede is the "safest" of the three and that Kolek a "monster." Very down on Trea Turner. Said he has "no power, bad swing, not physical." No sure what not physical means, this isn't football or basketball. Said that Gatewood has really improved his hit tool, using the whole field and showing a "more mature overall approach." Thinks he'll go top 5-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 01:07 PM) Take this with a grain of salt of course, but some tidbits from Keith Law's chat today. He doesn't believe Rodon is the "clear" 1-1 anymore and has been "passed by a few guys." He declined to mention specifics, citing his rankings being released next week, but said that you could make an argument for Kolek, Gatewood, Jackson, Hoffman, Beede. His rationale is that his "fastball has been average, command average or a tick below, and he's not missing bats." Said that scouts/execs are "backing away from him." As far as other top pitching prospects, he believes Hoffman is the best of the Beede, Hoffman, Kolek trio. Calls Hoffman a "plus plus athlete with easy velocity and the potential for a plus curveball." Says that Beede is the "safest" of the three and that Kolek a "monster." Very down on Trea Turner. Said he has "no power, bad swing, not physical." No sure what not physical means, this isn't football or basketball. Said that Gatewood has really improved his hit tool, using the whole field and showing a "more mature overall approach." Thinks he'll go top 5-6. I'm guessing not physical would imply that he's primarily a guy that uses his arms to swing and generate power, which works now and then, but you need hip rotation. Compare Alexei Ramirez to Miguel Cabrera. About the only two guys I can think of that have generated plus power using primarily arms and wrists are Gary Sheffield and Alfonso Soriano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I'd still be enormously shocked if Rodon didn't go 1-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Big day for Rodon and Beede as they will face their strongest competition thus far. Rodon v. #2 FSU (Luke Weaver) 5PM ESPN3 Beede v. #8 LSU (Aaron Nola) 5:30 PM (SEC Network) Hoffman v. Tulane - 5PM Newcomb v. Sacred Heart - 2 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 09:49 PM) I'd still be enormously shocked if Rodon didn't go 1-1. Its a long ways to go to draft day. Rodon has come back to the pack, he still has a chance but has not been in a class by himself this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 The most important thing for me anyway is that there's a clear top 3, not top 2. Had hoped Turner could make that happen, looks like Beede might be that guy now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Another mediocre start for Hoffman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 14, 2014 -> 05:52 PM) Another mediocre start for Hoffman That's being kind. He was shelled. Gotta believe he's on the brink of falling out of consideration at #3, barring a turnaround. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Jeff Lockridge @jefflockridge 33m #Vandy's Tyler Beede hitting 95 and 96 on the radar gun vs #LSU leadoff man Andrew Stevenson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 14, 2014 -> 07:13 PM) Jeff Lockridge @jefflockridge 33m #Vandy's Tyler Beede hitting 95 and 96 on the radar gun vs #LSU leadoff man Andrew Stevenson The way things are going, Beede very well could be #1 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 14, 2014 -> 06:13 PM) Jeff Lockridge @jefflockridge 33m #Vandy's Tyler Beede hitting 95 and 96 on the radar gun vs #LSU leadoff man Andrew Stevenson Those are numbers that will help his cause. May well not be available for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Mar 14, 2014 -> 06:01 PM) That's being kind. He was shelled. Gotta believe he's on the brink of falling out of consideration at #3, barring a turnaround. Only 3 of the runs were earned. Supposedly the victim of some absolutely brutal defense behind him. Not saying he had a fantastic start, but he wasn't dreadful. Aaron Fitt @aaronfitt 2h Heard a scout behind me say of #ECU: "This is the worst defensive team I've seen all year, by far." Can't argue with him based on this look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Beginning to look like we should take one of Beede or Kolek, unless Rodon magically falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 My Green Wave drilled Hoffman today. His D let him down, but a top 5 should be shutting down teams like us (or any team, really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Mar 14, 2014 -> 07:01 PM) That's being kind. He was shelled. Gotta believe he's on the brink of falling out of consideration at #3, barring a turnaround. Highly doubtful. Still projects as the best pitcher in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Mar 14, 2014 -> 10:01 PM) Highly doubtful. Still projects as the best pitcher in the draft. Hoffman projects over Rodon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (DirtySox @ Mar 14, 2014 -> 08:01 PM) Only 3 of the runs were earned. 5 ER according to the box. QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Mar 14, 2014 -> 09:01 PM) Highly doubtful. Still projects as the best pitcher in the draft. Highly doubtful. Rodon, Beede, and Kolek, at a minimum, would be picked ahead of him if the draft were today. Hoffman may turn it around, but you can expect quotes and articles very soon about him tumbling down draft boards. He'll still have plenty of fans, though. Edited March 15, 2014 by Stan Bahnsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Mar 15, 2014 -> 07:11 AM) 5 ER according to the box. Highly doubtful. Rodon, Beede, and Kolek, at a minimum, would be picked ahead of him if the draft were today. Hoffman may turn it around, but you can expect quotes and articles very soon about him tumbling down draft boards. He'll still have plenty of fans, though. This is not true. It's a projection business. Jeff Hoffman has the stuff and athletic profile to be an ace. Beede is safe which is fine as well. Kolek is awesome but already massive and his secondary stuff isn't great. Hoffman looks to have problems with his mechanics and repeating his delivery. That is a White Sox specialty. I would take Hoffman over Beede because of the stuff but if Hoffman is gone, Beede woudl be fine with me. Watch Jacob Gatewood as well though. The kid could be a superstar, franchise builder type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Nola's really - deadly command and control. Just doesn't have the stuff for top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Mar 15, 2014 -> 09:41 AM) Nola's really - deadly command and control. Just doesn't have the stuff for top 5. Gives off a Lance Broadway vibe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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