2014 Draft class

[Balta1701]

That's why the Sox likely will be taking some more college seniors than usual in the first 10 rounds. Easy signs, low bonuses to offset the higher bonus that whomever we take at No. 3 will command.

They could of course still do the opposite, find a guy that will sign for a tiny bit under slot at #3, allowing them to sign the equivalent of an extra 2nd or 3rd round draft pick maybe more than once in the top 10.

[maggsmaggs]

They could of course still do the opposite, find a guy that will sign for a tiny bit under slot at #3, allowing them to sign the equivalent of an extra 2nd or 3rd round draft pick maybe more than once in the top 10.

I would think that strategy would be more useful with a mid-first-round selection rather than top five. But who knows?

[southsider2k5]

They could of course still do the opposite, find a guy that will sign for a tiny bit under slot at #3, allowing them to sign the equivalent of an extra 2nd or 3rd round draft pick maybe more than once in the top 10.

If the Sox grade the prospects available when we draft at three very similarly, I would be shocked if they didn't select a guy who said he would sign for a decent amount underslot to save the money for later.

 

If you have three close grades on three different guys, is it worth an extra say essentially 5th round pick in a much later round to sign a guy who is very close to the top rated guy you have?

[Balta1701]

I would think that strategy would be more useful with a mid-first-round selection rather than top five. But who knows?

The big difference with this strategy is the dollars. Think of it in terms of percentages.

 

If you've got a guy who is willing to sign for 10% under slot and you have the 17th pick, that becomes $210k you save; that's enough to give a 5th/6th round pick 3rd-round money.

 

But if you've got the #3 pick and the guy signs for 10% under slot, that's $560k. That's the dollar value of a late 3rd round pick. That's enough money to give a 4th rounder 2nd-round money.

[harfman77]

If the Sox grade the prospects available when we draft at three very similarly, I would be shocked if they didn't select a guy who said he would sign for a decent amount underslot to save the money for later.

 

If you have three close grades on three different guys, is it worth an extra say essentially 5th round pick in a much later round to sign a guy who is very close to the top rated guy you have?

 

Agree. Take a scenario where Rodon and Kolek go 1 and 2. You call up Hoffman, Aiken, and Beede and make an offer, the one that takes it is your pick. Then in the second round you use the extra money to sign a guy that slipped like Toussaint, Max Petencost, Derek Fisher or Braxton Davidson.

[maggsmaggs]

The big difference with this strategy is the dollars. Think of it in terms of percentages.

 

If you've got a guy who is willing to sign for 10% under slot and you have the 17th pick, that becomes $210k you save; that's enough to give a 5th/6th round pick 3rd-round money.

 

But if you've got the #3 pick and the guy signs for 10% under slot, that's $560k. That's the dollar value of a late 3rd round pick. That's enough money to give a 4th rounder 2nd-round money.

That is a very good point.

[bmags]

Agree. Take a scenario where Rodon and Kolek go 1 and 2. You call up Hoffman, Aiken, and Beede and make an offer, the one that takes it is your pick. Then in the second round you use the extra money to sign a guy that slipped like Toussaint, Max Petencost, Derek Fisher or Braxton Davidson.

 

Is there enough time to do this?

[southsider2k5]

Is there enough time to do this?

 

Isn't the first round the only thing that happens on day one of the draft?

[bmags]

Oh, forgot about that. Last time I actually watched draft was 05 I think to see where Mike Bowden would get drafted.

[southsider2k5]

Oh, forgot about that. Last time I actually watched draft was 05 I think to see where Mike Bowden would get drafted.

 

 

IIRC it is Round 1, Day 1

Round 2-10, Day 2

Round 11-40, Day 3

[oneofthemikes]

Day 1 is Round 1, Compensation A, Competitive Balance A, Round 2, and Competitive Balance B.

Day 2 is Rounds 3-10

Day 3 is Rounds 11-40

[Y2Jimmy0]

Oh, forgot about that. Last time I actually watched draft was 05 I think to see where Mike Bowden would get drafted.

 

 

Funny you mention this. I graduated HS in 2004 from Lockport and in 2005 the Lockport baseball team won state. They beat Mount Carmel in the finals after MT Carmel beat Waubonsie. That was the weekend of the draft and there were rumors that the Red Sox shut down Bowden for the season. He was ridiculous for Waubonsie and they would have won state had he pitched.

[Y2Jimmy0]

Oh, forgot about that. Last time I actually watched draft was 05 I think to see where Mike Bowden would get drafted.

 

 

Funny you mention this. I graduated HS in 2004 from Lockport and in 2005 the Lockport baseball team won state. They beat Mount Carmel in the finals after MT Carmel beat Waubonsie. That was the weekend of the draft and there were rumors that the Red Sox shut down Bowden for the season. He was ridiculous for Waubonsie and they would have won state had he pitched.

[oneofthemikes]

DCProSports.com has a few new mocks posted.

 

One has us taking Beede, one Jackson, one Aiken, and one has us taking Nick Gordon.

[DirtySox]

Via Kiley's Twitter:

 

Can't rule it out, since $ expectations are sky high RT @thebronxempire I wonder if Rodon pulls an Appel if he doesn't get drafted top 5

[harfman77]

DCProSports.com has a few new mocks posted.

 

One has us taking Beede, one Jackson, one Aiken, and one has us taking Nick Gordon.

 

That site doesn't seem real legit. When I go there it takes me to a GoDaddy page that says I can buy the domain.

[oneofthemikes]

That site doesn't seem real legit. When I go there it takes me to a GoDaddy page that says I can buy the domain.

 

That's my bad. It's actually DCProSportsReport.com. Hahahaha

[DirtySox]

If that's the case, I hope we're the team that triumphs Cole's bonus and gives Rodon the biggest ever.

 

Not me. I'd rather not spend $8+ million on one pick of the total $9.5 million allotment. Especially when the assigned pick value for the 3rd pick is $5.7 million. But then again, I'm not entirely sold on Rodon.

Edited April 3, 2014 by DirtySox

[witesoxfan]

Perhaps I was being a bit overzealous but if Hahn and the front office are serious about this quick turnaround, they cannot pass on Rodon. I would be ecstatic if we could line him up behind Sale-Quintana-Johnson as early as 2016.

 

I would just like to point out that Andrew Miller was once assured of being a top of the rotation starter right out of college too. Things can change quickly.

[gatnom]

So was David Price. You take the best player available.

 

Not exactly true in baseball. Over/under slot signings wouldn't exist otherwise.

 

 

[Balta1701]

Not me. I'd rather not spend $8+ million on one pick of the total $9.5 million allotment. Especially when the assigned pick value for the 3rd pick is $5.7 million. But then again, I'm not entirely sold on Rodon.

I know people have said he's probably a Boras guy, but man, spending an extra year in college because you needed $8 million instead of $5.7 million, when you're a pitcher, just sounds absolutley nuts.

[caulfield12]

I know people have said he's probably a Boras guy, but man, spending an extra year in college because you needed $8 million instead of $5.7 million, when you're a pitcher, just sounds absolutley nuts.

 

Look at how much Beck lost in one year...in terms of projection one year out vs. his actual draft position.

 

And while Appel might have gotten away with it, in the end, wouldn't he have been far happier on a contending team like the Pirates, compared to one that's 3+ years away from contention?

Edited April 3, 2014 by caulfield12

[royoung]

Interesting take from Keith Law. He's very down on Rodon and always been pretty excited about the athleticism and potential of Hoffman.

 

 

Nick (Chicago)

 

Rick Hahn has stated the White Sox are targeting a college pitcher with their #3 pick in the draft. Who offers more upside Hoffman or Beede?

Klaw (1:04 PM)

 

Hoffman. More velocity, great athlete, underdeveloped as a pitcher right now. Beede's the safer pick of the two, but I would bet that if they have both guys staring them in the face (and Rodon too) they'd take Hoffman.

[caulfield12]

Interesting take from Keith Law. He's very down on Rodon and always been pretty excited about the athleticism and potential of Hoffman.

 

 

Nick (Chicago)

 

Rick Hahn has stated the White Sox are targeting a college pitcher with their #3 pick in the draft. Who offers more upside Hoffman or Beede?

Klaw (1:04 PM)

 

Hoffman. More velocity, great athlete, underdeveloped as a pitcher right now. Beede's the safer pick of the two, but I would bet that if they have both guys staring them in the face (and Rodon too) they'd take Hoffman.

 

 

Sounds a lot like the same kinds of things that were said about Zach Greinke coming into the draft.

What major league comps are being made with/about Hoffman?

Edited April 3, 2014 by caulfield12

[Y2Jimmy0]

Sounds a lot like the same kinds of things that were said about Zach Greinke coming into the draft.

What major league comps are being made with/about Hoffman?

 

 

I have heard the Scherzer, Verlander type comp for Hoffman. Obviously that is on the extreme end, but he is very athletic. His stuff is better than Beede's too.