2014 Draft class

[Balta1701]

I don't think they can afford to wait 3 or 4 years for this pick to develop unless they plan on signing one of the big 3 free agent starters this winter.

If the lineup somehow heals itself to teh point where they can be competitive then perhaps signing one of the big 3 starters would make sense. As of right now, this lineup looks like 2 big cubans and a wasteland.

[Marty34]

If the lineup somehow heals itself to teh point where they can be competitive then perhaps signing one of the big 3 starters would make sense. As of right now, this lineup looks like 2 big cubans and a wasteland.

 

Then what you're talking about is dealing Sale.

[Balta1701]

Then what you're talking about is dealing Sale.

No, I'm talking about stopping your stupid focus about what part is looking poor on this day in the middle of what is absolutely a rebuilding year. It'd be so much nicer if you'd just drop the act and talk to me in September and we'll see what our needs actually are and if they can be solved in the FA market or not.

[Marty34]

No, I'm talking about stopping your stupid focus about what part is looking poor on this day in the middle of what is absolutely a rebuilding year. It'd be so much nicer if you'd just drop the act and talk to me in September and we'll see what our needs actually are and if they can be solved in the FA market or not.

 

Who do you expect to step up and solve the pitching problem between now and the end of the season?

[southsider2k5]

Who in that draft is better than him? The Mariners almost took him at #2. I read a Rosenthal article a couple years ago there were several teams in the mix to draft him, but he fell. The Yankees were going to take him at 29 if he was till there. There were even some mock drafts that had the White Sox picking him.

 

And if he wasn't picked the reason he shouldn't have been is because the team thought the guy they picked was better. You are advocating taking a lesser player to save money for even lesser players. That doesn't make sense with the #3 pick.

 

Again, that is my point. Who IS better. But at that point you are trying to project who will be better down the road. And you are willing to take that projection and sacrifice every single player who would come after the #3 pick for that one player. Even though Mike Trout was picked WAY down the draft board from #3. The best player in that draft wasn't taken #1, #2, or #3. He was taken #29, and pretty no one expected it. There was no outrage on draft day that Mike Trout fell to #29. Your method misses out on Mike Trout.

 

BTW, the #3 pick in 2009? Donovan Tate. Congrats, you got a bust, and no other player to show for it. You also missed on guys like Paul Goldschmit, Jason Kipnis, Wil Myers, and a couple dozen of other major league baseball players.

[Dick Allen]

Again, that is my point. Who IS better. But at that point you are trying to project who will be better down the road. And you are willing to take that projection and sacrifice every single player who would come after the #3 pick for that one player. Even though Mike Trout was picked WAY down the draft board from #3. The best player in that draft wasn't taken #1, #2, or #3. He was taken #29, and pretty no one expected it. There was no outrage on draft day that Mike Trout fell to #29. Your method misses out on Mike Trout.

 

BTW, the #3 pick in 2009? Donovan Tate. Congrats, you got a bust, and no other player to show for it. You also missed on guys like Paul Goldschmit, Jason Kipnis, Wil Myers, and a couple dozen of other major league baseball players.

The point of drafting is to pick the player you think will be the best player on the board, anything else is the old way which got you Broadway and crap like that.

 

The 2 excuses used for the White Sox poor drafts were money allocated and draft position. What you propose would make this draft business as usual. The Sox missed on all the players you mentioned anyway.

[Balta1701]

The point of drafting is to pick the player you think will be the best player on the board, anything else is the old way which got you Broadway and crap like that.

 

The 2 excuses used for the White Sox poor drafts were money allocated and draft position. What you propose would make this draft business as usual. The Sox missed on all the players you mentioned anyway.

The other question not asked is whether Mike Trout would be the player he is today if in his first spring training he'd destroyed his leg to the point it took him 2 years to recover.

[southsider2k5]

The point of drafting is to pick the player you think will be the best player on the board, anything else is the old way which got you Broadway and crap like that.

 

The 2 excuses used for the White Sox poor drafts were money allocated and draft position. What you propose would make this draft business as usual. The Sox missed on all the players you mentioned anyway.

 

 

And NO ONE thought Mike Trout was the best player. That is exactly the point. Your method would have wasted an entire draft for garbage, despite this draft creating plenty of major leaguers, and this team having both plenty of players drafted after the #3 pick and many players drafted after that point being used to generate the roster we have now.

[Soxfest]

Sox until lately with slotted money per signing bonus were the cheapest in MLB when it came to money spent in player development for years. Sox are paying for this cheapness right now.

[Dick Allen]

And NO ONE thought Mike Trout was the best player. That is exactly the point. Your method would have wasted an entire draft for garbage, despite this draft creating plenty of major leaguers, and this team having both plenty of players drafted after the #3 pick and many players drafted after that point being used to generate the roster we have now.

The Angels did. The Mariners picking 2nd were torn, and they were wrong.the Yankees thought he was the best player in the draft.

[Feeky Magee]

Still crying that the White Sox were in a toolsy outfielder phase for a few years and took literally every single one of them except Mike Trout

[Dick Allen]

The other question not asked is whether Mike Trout would be the player he is today if in his first spring training he'd destroyed his leg to the point it took him 2 years to recover.

He missed a season. You can say Mitchell was going to be a star if that injury never occurred, but he had a lot of trouble with contact before that injury. He was a very raw player when drafted, but I don't know how that injury is the reason he doesn't make contact. He is a bust and more than likely would have been a bust had that injury never happened.

[Balta1701]

Still crying that the White Sox were in a toolsy outfielder phase for a few years and took literally every single one of them except Mike Trout

Just to say again...when Mike Trout was drafted by the Angels...the only post on this page was, and I quote "Boy, the Angels sure do like their outfielders don't they?" No one here showed any outrage whatsoever.

[Marty34]

Just to say again...when Mike Trout was drafted by the Angels...the only post on this page was, and I quote "Boy, the Angels sure do like their outfielders don't they?" No one here showed any outrage whatsoever.

 

That's a Sox scouts win then or at least a draw. Geez, hold professionals to higher standards than those of message board posters.

[caulfield12]

So then why don't the White Sox also get credit for spotting something in Sale, Mark Buehrle, Hector Santiago, Addison Reed, Phil Humber, Bobby Jenks, Matt Thornton, Sergio Santos, Damaso Marte, Jose Contreras, etc.?

 

For cornering the market on Cuban players, to the point where it's become a competitive advantage when the next big free agent becomes available...or with Rodon?

 

 

This is the exact same argument (the Trout one) that we had when Garza was selected by the Twins near the end of the first and the Sox skipped over him.

 

By the way, have the Angels come close to winning anything with a Top 5 payroll and the best young player in baseball? Don't think so.

Edited May 4, 2014 by caulfield12

[Balta1701]

That's a Sox scouts win then or at least a draw. Geez, hold professionals to higher standards than those of message board posters.

The remarkable thing actually is...no matter how much time or money you throw at scouting, you're really unlikely to do better over the long term. Now that there's a fair system, its' almost a card flip. You should do slightly better if you have a series of high draft picks compared to lower ones, but it really is just statistics.

[caulfield12]

The remarkable thing actually is...no matter how much time or money you throw at scouting, you're really unlikely to do better over the long term. Now that there's a fair system, its' almost a card flip. You should do slightly better if you have a series of high draft picks compared to lower ones, but it really is just statistics.

 

 

It's like beating the Vanguard 500 Index for 13 years in a row like Bill Miller/Legg Mason managed. (A rock star in the stock-picking world who ended up ingloriously being ousted from his own fund due to a wave of redemptions).

 

There will always be teams like the Rays or A's (used to be the Twins) who seem to be able to beat the system consistently (finding pitching), but eventually they come back down to earth/return to norm.

 

For a long time, it seemed that Beane's best years as GM were behind him. Also, Epstein doesn't look like quite the genius with a limited payroll.

[DirtySox]

Kendall Rogers ‏@KendallRogersPG 1m

#mlbdraft RT @StevensonFWST: #TCU LHP Brandon Finnegan could've pitched Sunday (he feels fine) but since #Frogs won 1st 2 games, will rest.

 

[Feeky Magee]

Just to say again...when Mike Trout was drafted by the Angels...the only post on this page was, and I quote "Boy, the Angels sure do like their outfielders don't they?" No one here showed any outrage whatsoever.

Oh sure, I'm not saying it was bad of the White Sox or whatever, I'm just crying in hindsight that they could have stumbled into him given their general philosophy at the time

[BigHurt3515]

There is a guy I want us to draft in the later rounds:

 

Matt Tellor out of Southeast Missouri State. He is a senior 1B. Currently batting .380, 14 Home Runs, 59 RBI's, 15 doubles, .659 Slugging %, .435 OBP

 

He is currently top 5 in the nation in both Home Runs and RBI's

 

Oh and he is a switch hitter.

 

I go to the same school as him and have seen him play a lot. The ball jumps off his bat from both sides of the plate.

 

I am going to bump this. I would like to hear opinions.. There were at least 4 scouts at the game today video taping his at bats, 2 of which were home runs batting Right handed.. And he has more power left handed. Both were hit at least 390 feet.

[caulfield12]

I am going to bump this. I would like to hear opinions.. There were at least 4 scouts at the game today video taping his at bats, 2 of which were home runs batting Right handed.. And he has more power left handed. Both were hit at least 390 feet.

 

 

I would worry about quality of competition with that particular school.

[oldsox]

I would worry about quality of competition with that particular school.

Then why isn't anyone else in that conference hitting like that?

[southsider2k5]

The Angels did. The Mariners picking 2nd were torn, and they were wrong.the Yankees thought he was the best player in the draft.

 

The Angels didn't do anything like you are talking about. At this point you are just making stuff up.

[maggsmaggs]

Then why isn't anyone else in that conference hitting like that?

http://ovcsports.com/custompages/stats/bas...014/lgplyrs.htm

 

Actually others are.

[southsider2k5]

Just to say again...when Mike Trout was drafted by the Angels...the only post on this page was, and I quote "Boy, the Angels sure do like their outfielders don't they?" No one here showed any outrage whatsoever.

 

And not a single organization would have been willing to bet their entire draft on Mike Trout on draft day in 2009.