bmags Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I just really have a hard time we are gonna hitch our wagon to a high schooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ May 6, 2014 -> 01:09 PM) I just really have a hard time we are gonna hitch our wagon to a high schooler. It's pretty obvious they're taking a pitcher, and no matter who that it--whether it's Rodon or Aiken or Kolek, or somebody else, it's a gamble. I'm glad they have the 3rd pick, and I'm confident in the Sox ability to develop pitching, but call me when this guy is healthy and good in Birmingham--and a phone call away from the majors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ May 6, 2014 -> 12:54 PM) Without trading, I don't know how much this matters picking 3rd overall. How about this, Kolek-Aiken go 1-2 and then Rodon wants over-slot... If we end up drafting Tyler Beede, even if it's under-slot, I'm going to be livid. We really could end up with any three of the trio but if Rodon is going to be an issue at 3 it can get very interesting. I feel Aiken is the most likely pick until the next wrench in the mocks pop up. I agree wholeheartedly. It's why the Hoffman setback is so damaging, not that we aren't going to have an opportunity to draft one of the top three, but their camp will recognize the drop off and take advantage of it financially. For all the talk about Rodon being a tough sign, the high school kids have all the leverage. We'll get a great pitcher, but we are going to pay slot or over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 QUOTE (DirtySox @ May 6, 2014 -> 12:46 PM) Id prefer Aiken or Kolek, but would be fine with Rodon at slot. Wouldn't be surprised if the Sox go for a Freeland or Nola at savings to spread money later if Rodon is what's left at 3 though. I just can't get on board with the sacrifice of going underslot for a premier top 3 pick in order to go overslot for mediocre, less-proven mid-round prospects. The number 3 pick will have the highest chance of making a big league impact, it's imperative the Sox draft the BPA there. (Besides, while not perfect, the new slotting process prevents egregious gouging by agents anyway- the incentives and risk/reward are clearer.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ May 6, 2014 -> 01:05 PM) How opposed (if at all) do the Sox seem to be to drafting a high schooler? Because I really believe that with Rodon's success lately he has a really good shot at going #1 overall. They grabbed Danish pretty highly last year, higher than most expected him to go. The Hahn regime has been much more willing to take chances on high school talent thus far, but it really depends on what they project each guy to be and how likely they are to get there. Aiken and Kolek by most accounts have the kind of stuff where they might reach the majors in a similar timeframe as Nola, Fedde, Hoffman, or Weaver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Why is everyone scared about paying Rodon for 1-1 money? If we had truly tanked even worse last year and ended up with the #1 pick, we would be paying anyone we chose 1-1 money. I get that our draft pool size is not as big at #3 as it would be at #1, but s***, if it means we punt our 4th RD pick to make up the difference, then the hell with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ May 6, 2014 -> 02:31 PM) Why is everyone scared about paying Rodon for 1-1 money? If we had truly tanked even worse last year and ended up with the #1 pick, we would be paying anyone we chose 1-1 money. I get that our draft pool size is not as big at #3 as it would be at #1, but s***, if it means we punt our 4th RD pick to make up the difference, then the hell with it. Frankly, it's not solely punting the 4th round pick. It's practically punting picks 2-10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ May 6, 2014 -> 02:31 PM) Why is everyone scared about paying Rodon for 1-1 money? If we had truly tanked even worse last year and ended up with the #1 pick, we would be paying anyone we chose 1-1 money. I get that our draft pool size is not as big at #3 as it would be at #1, but s***, if it means we punt our 4th RD pick to make up the difference, then the hell with it. I outlined this in another place, but signing Rodon to 1-1 money means signing something like our 2nd and 6th round picks signing for slot money, and having no other signings of over $100k for entire rest of the draft board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 6, 2014 Author Share Posted May 6, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (DirtySox @ May 6, 2014 -> 11:46 AM) Id prefer Aiken or Kolek, but would be fine with Rodon at slot. Wouldn't be surprised if the Sox go for a Freeland or Nola at savings to spread money later if Rodon is what's left at 3 though. That would be crazy, unless we could sign Hoffman AND one of those two together. Freeland's never cracked the Top 10 before. Nola is almost always listed at 7-11. Where was Correia listed on most draft boards when the Astros took him 1st? (Of course, that's a different situation than taking a 10-15 guy at #3 in my opinion, unless it's someone like Stroman and you feel so strongly about him, and that other teams are underestimating a certain prospect for one reason or another AND that he's a legit Top 3-5 pick in terms of talent at least, like the argument about Trout going 25th but being 2nd on their draft board after Strasburg, even though they took Grichuk before him). Edited May 6, 2014 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 6, 2014 -> 05:21 PM) That would be crazy, unless we could sign Hoffman AND one of those two together. Freeland's never cracked the Top 10 before. Nola is almost always listed at 7-11. It would obviously be done in order to grab someone they have a lead on that falls for monetary reasons. Hahn has even mentioned this previously when talking about the draft. Not necessarily advocating it, but I wouldn't be shocked if it happens. Especially if Hoffman's injury is quite serious, and there are Rodon/Boras issues. In a perfect world Aiken/Kolek are there at 3 or Rodon signs for something close to slot. For what it's worth, Freeland has late helium and is number 9 on BA's list, 12 on Crawford's. Think Keith Law is high on him too. Also, Nola has surpassed Beede in the minds of many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Ball Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 6, 2014 -> 11:21 PM) Where was Correia listed on most draft boards when the Astros took him 1st? (Of course, that's a different situation than taking a 10-15 guy at #3 in my opinion, unless it's someone like Stroman and you feel so strongly about him, and that other teams are underestimating a certain prospect for one reason or another AND that he's a legit Top 3-5 pick in terms of talent at least, like the argument about Trout going 25th but being 2nd on their draft board after Strasburg, even though they took Grichuk before him). Correia was ranked 6th in BA's last top 500 list that year with comparisons to Tulo and Zimmerman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneofthemikes Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Probably nothing to it, but I saw a mock this morning that suggests that Beede is the pick at 3 because he is the best college RHP now that Hoffman is hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Kiley has a new top 116 up. He notes a top tier of Aiken, Hoffman, and Rodon with a drop off in tier to Kolek. Though he has always been super high on Hoffman. http://sbb.scout.com/2/1400460.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ May 7, 2014 -> 07:29 AM) Probably nothing to it, but I saw a mock this morning that suggests that Beede is the pick at 3 because he is the best college RHP now that Hoffman is hurt. Mocks should be taken with huge grains of salt lest they come from one of the reputable outlets who have sources on where teams are leaning. (BA, Law, Mayo/Callis etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneofthemikes Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 QUOTE (DirtySox @ May 7, 2014 -> 08:09 AM) Mocks should be taken with huge grains of salt lest they come from one of the reputable outlets who have sources on where teams are leaning. (BA, Law, Mayo/Callis etc). I know, that's why I started out by saying "probably nothing to it". I'm assuming that whoever put it together is just trying to get some blog hits (worked on me) and that they don't have any insider info. I just think that all of us are searching desperately for any indication of what any of the top 3 might do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Crawford (ESPN Writer with Law) has a new mock up. http://mlbdraftinsider.com/2014/05/the-mock-volume-iv/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 (edited) One of my favorite draft prospects, Jacob Bukauskas has sent out the ole "don't draft me please. I want to go to college" leverage letter. Edited May 7, 2014 by DirtySox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Casey Gillaspie going to be available at 44? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ May 7, 2014 -> 08:44 AM) Casey Gillaspie going to be available at 44? Potentially. Crap shoot after the first few picks really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ May 7, 2014 -> 08:44 AM) Casey Gillaspie going to be available at 44? Probably at 74. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ May 7, 2014 -> 08:50 AM) Probably at 74. Day 1 of the draft, the Sox have 3, 44, and 77. Actually, it might be 78 now. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2014/order.jsp Edited May 7, 2014 by flavum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 7, 2014 Author Share Posted May 7, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ May 7, 2014 -> 07:59 AM) Day 1 of the draft, the Sox have 3, 44, and 77. Actually, it might be 78 now. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2014/order.jsp What happened, did Morales or Drew sign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Kylie's got Hoffman ranked #2. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 7, 2014 -> 09:10 AM) Kylie's got Hoffman ranked #2. Interesting. Very interesting especially with the elbow concern. I guess he does not take that into consideration when ranking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Ball Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ May 7, 2014 -> 02:44 PM) Casey Gillaspie going to be available at 44? The last BA top 50 from April 10 had him ranked at #30 and Kiley just ranked him #29. Wouldn't be surprised to see him go later. College 1B not such a sexy pick. Bat has to be really strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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