BlackSox13 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 01:18 PM) Just based on body type alone, it would be pretty funny to have Sale and Kolek as our 1-2 punch in our rotation. I am rooting for us to draft Kolek just for the photo ops with those two. No kidding. It would be like snapping a pick of Bluto and Olive Oil together. I'm fine with Kolek, been a fan all winter but Aiken would be to good for me too pass up if he is available. If the Sox grab Kolek, I hope the first thing they work on is getting him to focus more on control and less on velocity. Dude throws hard anyway so he can afford to lose a few MPH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 01:12 PM) No way they cut Saladino. He is probably going to be that super utility player. They'll cut Michael Johnson. They'll demote Johnson, not cut him. And then when someone is traded/promoted to Chicago, Saladino can go back to being an infielder and get full time play. Until then they are just trying to find him playing time. That sucks for him, but he's behind Davidson, Sanchez, Micah Johnson (when back) and Marcus Semien for 3 skill IF positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 01:26 PM) They'll demote Johnson, not cut him. And then when someone is traded/promoted to Chicago, Saladino can go back to being an infielder and get full time play. Until then they are just trying to find him playing time. That sucks for him, but he's behind Davidson, Sanchez, Micah Johnson (when back) and Marcus Semien for 3 skill IF positions. Has there been any notes on how Saladino has been in the OF so far or too small of a sample size? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 12:59 PM) Neither of those guys will get you a comp pick, not a chance. You need to talk more Sanchez to even be in that discussion, and I'm not sure even that would get it done. I would have agreed with you until the Marlins JUST traded a random 27-year old reliever with 5 K/9 for one. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/06/marl...om-pirates.html Errr: other way around. Marlins just GOT that guy for one. Edited June 2, 2014 by Eminor3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Who wouldn't we have given up from our pen for the 39th pick? Webb and that's it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 01:36 PM) Who wouldn't we have given up from our pen for the 39th pick? Webb and that's it? Yeah that deal is just strange. Unbelievable that that was the best they could have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 01:33 PM) I would have agreed with you until the Marlins JUST traded a random 27-year old reliever with 5 K/9 for one. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/06/marl...om-pirates.html The problem is that the Marlins probably look at the trade as a way to save money. They already had one comp pick and would have had to at least offer $1.3M to avoid losing this pick. They had the largest bonus pool but may not have the financial flexibility to sign all the picks. It would be interesting to know if the Pirates picked up any of the $300K owed to Morris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 We should easily be able to trade Beckham for a comp A pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneofthemikes Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 01:41 PM) We should easily be able to trade Beckham for a comp A pick. God, I would hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 12:39 PM) The problem is that the Marlins probably look at the trade as a way to save money. They already had one comp pick and would have had to at least offer $1.3M to avoid losing this pick. They had the largest bonus pool but may not have the financial flexibility to sign all the picks. It would be interesting to know if the Pirates picked up any of the $300K owed to Morris. Right, but the best guy they can get is Bryan Morris? Rick Hahn has repeatedly spoken about how excited the Sox are, not only to be picking at 3, but to be picking early in each round. This is a pick higher than any one of ours other than 3, and it took just Bryan Morris to get it? Either the Marlins were locked onto Morris so much so that they didn't even consider lifting the phone for potential offers that might be better on paper, like the Tigers and Robbie Ray, or other teams, including the Sox, were asleep on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 01:39 PM) The problem is that the Marlins probably look at the trade as a way to save money. They already had one comp pick and would have had to at least offer $1.3M to avoid losing this pick. They had the largest bonus pool but may not have the financial flexibility to sign all the picks. It would be interesting to know if the Pirates picked up any of the $300K owed to Morris. The savings are just tiny. That is really peculiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 12:15 PM) I'd prefer Kolek. That Thorburn article on BP the other day really sold me on his mechanics, which makes me feel better about his future. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....articleid=23731 I looked up this article up and it was pretty fascinating. It was very complimentary of Kolek and he graded out the best out of the four pitchers they evaluated (Aiken, Rodon, and Hoffman). Kolek's summary: "His posture flashes plus but often settles closer to average, which is a tremendous accomplishment for an 18-year old with such a vigorous motion. Considering that stability tends to develop later than power (and is easier to develop), the profile gives Kolek a vaulted ceiling for mechanical efficiency." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Marlins have another comp pick. Nieto is a Cuban and cheap, maybe Nieto + prospect or RP for Pick + Mathis, with Flowers having Mathis as the backup. They'd save some money there too maybe. In fact thinking about it, might as well add Turner in there. He's struggling & we could use another higher upside RHSP project in the rotation. Another out of options guy like Noesi was, but IIRC Turner is on a MLB contract that pays him a little bit. Marlins could send us Mathis + Turner + the pick, we send back Nieto, Rienzo, and a prospect or RP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 01:57 PM) http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....articleid=23731 I looked up this article up and it was pretty fascinating. It was very complimentary of Kolek and he graded out the best out of the four pitchers they evaluated (Aiken, Rodon, and Hoffman). Kolek's summary: "His posture flashes plus but often settles closer to average, which is a tremendous accomplishment for an 18-year old with such a vigorous motion. Considering that stability tends to develop later than power (and is easier to develop), the profile gives Kolek a vaulted ceiling for mechanical efficiency." What do we really excel at as an organization? Developing pitchers. Getting the most out of pitchers in general, usually focusing on control over radar gun (and it helps when you have such a high point to back down from). And we're also great at keeping players healthy. This is really why I want Kolek. Everyone's an injury risk, but man does that kid have enormous potential. But at #3 I'm not going to be upset about Aiken at all, and Rodon only pisses me off if it becomes a Borass issue. Aiken or Kolek at slot or around there would be a big win for us IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 02:02 PM) What do we really excel at as an organization? Developing pitchers. Getting the most out of pitchers in general, usually focusing on control over radar gun (and it helps when you have such a high point to back down from). And we're also great at keeping players healthy. This is really why I want Kolek. Everyone's an injury risk, but man does that kid have enormous potential. But at #3 I'm not going to be upset about Aiken at all, and Rodon only pisses me off if it becomes a Borass issue. Aiken or Kolek at slot or around there would be a big win for us IMO. To be fair, this organization does go out of its way to avoid guys who they think will get hurt. Think back to their time on The Show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) Here's the latest mock from MLB fwiw. 1- Aiken 2- Rondon 3- Kolek http://m.mlb.com/news/2014/06/02/77857076/...oice-for-astros Edited June 2, 2014 by StRoostifer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 02:14 PM) Here's the latest mock from MLB fwiw. 1- Aiken 2- Rondon 3- Kolek http://m.mlb.com/news/2014/06/02/77857076/...oice-for-astros As expected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 01:31 PM) Has there been any notes on how Saladino has been in the OF so far or too small of a sample size? His first game he made an error and had another bad play, but that is to be expected as he learns a totally new position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 12:39 PM) The problem is that the Marlins probably look at the trade as a way to save money. They already had one comp pick and would have had to at least offer $1.3M to avoid losing this pick. They had the largest bonus pool but may not have the financial flexibility to sign all the picks. It would be interesting to know if the Pirates picked up any of the $300K owed to Morris. That doesn't make any sense -- if they wanted to save money, all they'd need to do is draft underslot. Gives them flexibility to sign their first rounder, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 R-O-D-O-N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 03:32 PM) That doesn't make any sense -- if they wanted to save money, all they'd need to do is draft underslot. Gives them flexibility to sign their first rounder, at least. They have to offer the pick at least 90% of the slot value of the pick or they lose the pick and do not receive compensation. With the 39th pick, there is no guarantee that the guy will sign for what you offer as you have no idea who is still going to be around and therefore it is a infinitely more difficult to work out a pre-draft underslot deal. So they saved a $1M and received a RP while they were at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 03:37 PM) R-O-D-O-N Really I am at peace with any of the top six guys at this point: Rodon - Was the next coming of David Price before this season, played on a bad team and sometimes that can affect pitchers Aiken - Best mix of pitches in the draft, a refined feel for pitching and good command Kolek - Solid mechanics, physical build, throws heat, Jackson - The Paulie comp was throw out there by one pub today, best hitter in the draft something the Sox sorely need is hitters that have bat to ball skills Gordon - Sox have been pretty good developing MI lately, not as fast as his brother, but a better fielder and some power Nola - Perhaps this years Wacha - decent chance to be the first player in this class to reach the majors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 02:42 PM) They have to offer the pick at least 90% of the slot value of the pick or they lose the pick and do not receive compensation. With the 39th pick, there is no guarantee that the guy will sign for what you offer as you have no idea who is still going to be around and therefore it is a infinitely more difficult to work out a pre-draft underslot deal. So they saved a $1M and received a RP while they were at it. Interesting. Only the Marlins would expose that rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I'm really hoping for Rodon, and I'd love Jacob Lindgren with the 2nd pick. Lindgren sounds like a guy that can be in the pen as early as next year, and it'd be real nice to have a dominate lefty down in that pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Jim Callis @jimcallisMLB 12m Unscientfically, Aiken 45%, Rodon 30%, Jackson 25%. @astroslogy: What do you put odds on Aiken, Rodon, Jackson for 1.1? @MLBDraft @Astros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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