cabiness42 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I'm hoping for more like a high-ceiling but low-floor guy, someone who has about an 80% bust likelihood, but serious tools that could make an impact if he puts it together. As opposed to a guy 75% likely to see the majors but with minimal ceiling. I would hope for that too, but I don't think teams are going to give that up for Crain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 11:42 AM) Why is it that not one media member can produce an accurate story about us this year? At least with the Sox, it is because Team Guillen is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 12:15 PM) I would hope for that too, but I don't think teams are going to give that up for Crain. Maybe someone with a 98% chance of bust. Another team's Jared Mitchell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 QUOTE (Big Hurtin @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 11:49 AM) Because Joe Cowley is no longer a White Sox beat writer. Joe's info all came from the Guillen family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 06:17 PM) Maybe someone with a 98% chance of bust. Another team's Jared Mitchell. Someone mentioned Tim Beckham earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 12:17 PM) Joe's info all came from the Guillen family. Yeah, he was the Guillen family clubbie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 12:12 PM) I think that's pretty much a given. I just want to know they were able to move him for anything considering he's been out for a month. THIS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 12:18 PM) Someone mentioned Tim Beckham earlier. Someone on the forum mentioned Tim Beckham earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 12:18 PM) Someone mentioned Tim Beckham earlier. I think he's probably more that TB would give up, although TB probably wants to keep Crain away from Oakland, Boston, Detroit, a team that may claim him in August when and if he is healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 White Sox are exploring multiple avenues for Crain. Could be Rays. Could be elsewhere. As @jcrasnick said, today may be bullpen moving day. -- Passan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 QUOTE (Knuckles @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 06:19 PM) Someone on the forum mentioned T Beckham earlier. Yeah that's what I meant. He's the Rays version of Mitchell. First round pick who is no longer a top twenty guy in their system. Though he is still better than Mitchell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 (edited) If the return for Downs is any indication, a Cory Rasmus-type is probably what the Sox are looking at. Certainly not a franchise-changing moment. The thing is, it should be a no brainer for a team to give up that type of player risking Crain will be healthy reasonably soon. Edited July 29, 2013 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Bruce Levine @ESPNBruceLevine 4m Crain could be traded today to One of two teams Tampa is the leading club. Complicated deal as compensation could depend on his performance Expand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Interesting. Glad to see things are progressing on this front! Hopefully Crain kicks some ass for whatever team he goes to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Wonder if they could have tried to dangle Lindstrom to Tampa or the third team in an attempt to get a better haul back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 @MDGonzales confirms deal sending Jesse Crain to Rays is close; final bids being taken on trade for Jake Peavy: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,4850804.story … Gonzales says again that we don't want to take any salary. I guess we can't afford it as they seem to want to carry Rios and Alexei for some bizarre reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 12:01 PM) @MDGonzales confirms deal sending Jesse Crain to Rays is close; final bids being taken on trade for Jake Peavy: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,4850804.story … Gonzales says again that we don't want to take any salary. I guess we can't afford it as they seem to want to carry Rios and Alexei for some bizarre reason. Stupid if we hold onto Rios / Alexei. If we are going to make trades, we should move those guys too. Clear the payroll, add young talent, and open up roster spots for some of that young talent to play (then use some of the cash on other vets). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 02:04 PM) Stupid if we hold onto Rios / Alexei. If we are going to make trades, we should move those guys too. Clear the payroll, add young talent, and open up roster spots for some of that young talent to play (then use some of the cash on other vets). Seriously, if you're tanking a season then tank it and get some sort of value out of it (spects and pt for young guys). It's not like 2014 looks that promising to begin with. The only situation I understand, and this totally may be possible, is if the offers for Rios and Alexei are absolutely pitiful and if it's concern over money then maybe we can get more flexibility over the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 12:09 PM) Seriously, if you're tanking a season then tank it and get some sort of value out of it (spects and pt for young guys). It's not like 2014 looks that promising to begin with. The only situation I understand, and this totally may be possible, is if the offers for Rios and Alexei are absolutely pitiful and if it's concern over money then maybe we can get more flexibility over the offseason. Yep. I could see if the club decided they'd hold off on dealing those two until the off-season or next years deadline. In Rios situation though, it would seem to me that RV doesn't want him around so I expect the Sox to move him. That is the only reason I think he'll get moved and I think Hahn will lower his demands. I'd be thrilled if we got 1 top 3-5 prospect from a system and another top 10 prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 (edited) It's going to be so *boring when the news breaks that says: "Rays acquire RP Jesse Crain for PTBNL" Edited July 29, 2013 by Eminor3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 03:09 PM) It's not like 2014 looks that promising to begin with. You should never count out a team with a strong starting rotation and contracts coming off the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 12:14 PM) It's going to be so bring when the news breaks that says: "Rays acquire RP Jesse Crain for PTBNL" Yep. The hard part is going to be figuring out who it is on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 12:14 PM) You should never count out a team with a strong starting rotation and contracts coming off the books. There would be a lot less flexibility if Dunn, Rios, and Alexei aren't traded. In fact, I'm going to imagine the club would have minimal flexibility (given I'd expect lower attendance, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 03:20 PM) There would be a lot less flexibility if Dunn, Rios, and Alexei aren't traded. In fact, I'm going to imagine the club would have minimal flexibility (given I'd expect lower attendance, etc). Take a look at the actual numbers, there's $30 million or so coming off the books as it is, and another $25 million in the national TV deal. I know they won't spend all $55 million of that since the attendance has gone down, but even if people aren't moved, there's got to be $25 million or more to spend if they choose to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 02:32 PM) Take a look at the actual numbers, there's $30 million or so coming off the books as it is, and another $25 million in the national TV deal. I know they won't spend all $55 million of that since the attendance has gone down, but even if people aren't moved, there's got to be $25 million or more to spend if they choose to. So all the teams will be flush with money and the FA market is terrible. Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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