Rios, $1M traded to Rangers

[GGajewski18]

Exactly why Ricky only makes the move if it actually builds for the future. Wait it out and get a haul or keep a top of the rotation pitcher and a middle of the order hitter with reasonable salaries. These are likely 2 of the biggest moves for the SOX foreseeable future.

 

I agree. More to the extent of Peavy though.

[2nd_city_saint787]

Jake, me and you were the only ones who were worried about Cecchinis lack of power. I've changed my mind on him if he moves to a middle infield position, have you done the same?

 

As a 3rd baseman? No thanks. As a SS? Yes plz.

 

I went from iffy to ecstatic about the though of acquiring him. He's moved ahead of Owings on my wishlist if e really can play SS.

[Paulstar]

Do the Rangers have enough money flowing around to be able to take on both Dunn and Rios? If not, Dunn and De Aza would also make sense. But right now Dunn seems to be a perfect match for what Texas needs with Berkman possibly never returning.

[2nd_city_saint787]

Well can he?

 

 

Another poster here said that there have been talks of moving him to SS/2B. I also saw that he was a SS in high school and the only reason he was moved to 3rd was because of Bogaerts.

[PolishPrince34]

No way can he play shortstop. Too big for the position and doesn't have the range. His power will develope 20-25 homer power. Love his potential and his on base rate. We don't have anyone in our lineup with that potential. Huge fan of Cecchini and love his potential at 3b

Edited July 26, 2013 by PolishPrince34

[beck72]

No matter where Cecchini plays, his offensive skill set is something the sox desperately need on the current club And have nothing near major league ready from the minors. And the guy stole 51 bases in 118 games last year. It's like criticizing Ms. America because she sang poorly in the talent portion of the competition. His type of bat and ability to get on base is what teams can build around for years.

[Jake]

Jake, me and you were the only ones who were worried about Cecchinis lack of power. I've changed my mind on him if he moves to a middle infield position, have you done the same?

 

As a 3rd baseman? No thanks. As a SS? Yes plz.

 

I went from iffy to ecstatic about the though of acquiring him. He's moved ahead of Owings on my wishlist if e really can play SS.

 

I'd assume if he could play big league SS, he'd be playing there.

 

I'd gladly add him to the system, but there's one very important thing I've learned about young guys - NEVER count on players hitting for more power. They much more commonly fail to reach projected power than anything else. He obviously is a real productive hitter now, but he's probably not going to post a .450 OBP in MLB.

 

He's reportedly a fine defender at 3B, but not a good runner. Baseball America says (behind a paywall) he won't be a basestealing threat because he has below average speed.

 

He has to remain a .300 or better hitter and keep walking at 12.5% or better as he has been or else he starts fading towards the powerless 3B territory. I think Michael Young but with more walks but with more walks (maybe, probably, less average) would be a good comparison. I wish he was a bit toolsier...but hey, beggars can't be choosers. He's a really nice prospect.

[beautox]

No matter where Cecchini plays, his offensive skill set is something the sox desperately need on the current club And have nothing near major league ready from the minors. And the guy stole 51 bases in 118 games last year. It's like criticizing Ms. America because she sang poorly in the talent portion of the competition. His type of bat and ability to get on base is what teams can build around for years.

 

I agree, off of everything I've read, he is best suited for the hot corner and power is the last tool to develop. Cecchini is exactly what this line up and organization needs. Patient hitters that understand how to work the count, Sickels said his ceiling is a Bill Mueller / Kevin Youkillis type. Seeing how he is likely a year to a year and a half away that would give the Sox time to fully understand what they have in Conor Gillaspie.

 

Gillaspie's season screams to me at least of a Michael Cuddyer like player[check out his 26 year old season in '05 and what Conor is projected to finish at]. Conor plays above average defense at 3B, that has a fair amount of value(1.5-2.5 maybe a 3WAR player), he has struggled against LHP but if the sox give him a clear understanding finishing this year and going into next that they're going to give him the full time job, he strikes me as the type of hitter to make the adjustments.

 

The sox would be well served to target players like Cecchini and Adam Eaton. I hope the sox move Reed at the deadline or in the offseason to the d-backs for the likes of him and owings, all though Owings strikes me as a Khalil Greene clone.

 

A young core of Eaton, Cecchini and Semien (whom some feel will wind up as a utility player)I personally feel has the tools to be more of a Marcus Giles type of bat in the MI and another recent comp due to his statistically-based age/level comp is Bernie Williams(HT:NorthSideSox72 for bringing that quote from Matt Garrioch to the table), excite me. Eaton could very well develop into a Denard Span clone in CF.

 

Take those three and supplement them with Phegley provided he continues to hit like Jason LaRue (which I would consider a win for the sox development process), De Aza, Gillaspie, Viciedo if he continues to develop into El Caballo2.0 and this version of Beckham and

.

 

Of course this is all predicated on a lot of "Ifs" but with Quintana doing his best Andy Pettitte impersonation, Santiago looking like the love child of Liriano and Santana, Chris Sale being the best 13th overall selection since Paul Konerko or Manny Ramirez, John Danks being removed a full 18 months form his surgery and getting back to his old 3WAR ways, and one of Johnson or Rienzo producing 1.5WAR. I really like the sox chances competing next year as a dark horse for the wild card and going forward seeing how pitching peaks far earlier than hitting and the sox have young pitching

[CyAcosta41]

I agree, off of everything I've read, he is best suited for the hot corner and power is the last tool to develop. Cecchini is exactly what this line up and organization needs. Patient hitters that understand how to work the count, Sickels said his ceiling is a Bill Mueller / Kevin Youkillis type. Seeing how he is likely a year to a year and a half away that would give the Sox time to fully understand what they have in Conor Gillaspie.

 

Gillaspie's season screams to me at least of a Michael Cuddyer like player[check out his 26 year old season in '05 and what Conor is projected to finish at]. Conor plays above average defense at 3B, that has a fair amount of value(1.5-2.5 maybe a 3WAR player), he has struggled against LHP but if the sox give him a clear understanding finishing this year and going into next that they're going to give him the full time job, he strikes me as the type of hitter to make the adjustments.

 

The sox would be well served to target players like Cecchini and Adam Eaton. I hope the sox move Reed at the deadline or in the offseason to the d-backs for the likes of him and owings, all though Owings strikes me as a Khalil Greene clone.

 

A young core of Eaton, Cecchini and Semien (whom some feel will wind up as a utility player)I personally feel has the tools to be more of a Marcus Giles type of bat in the MI and another recent comp due to his statistically-based age/level comp is Bernie Williams(HT:NorthSideSox72 for bringing that quote from Matt Garrioch to the table), excite me. Eaton could very well develop into a Denard Span clone in CF.

 

Take those three and supplement them with Phegley provided he continues to hit like Jason LaRue (which I would consider a win for the sox development process), De Aza, Gillaspie, Viciedo if he continues to develop into El Caballo2.0 and this version of Beckham and

.

 

Of course this is all predicated on a lot of "Ifs" but with Quintana doing his best Andy Pettitte impersonation, Santiago looking like the love child of Liriano and Santana, Chris Sale being the best 13th overall selection since Paul Konerko or Manny Ramirez, John Danks being removed a full 18 months form his surgery and getting back to his old 3WAR ways, and one of Johnson or Rienzo producing 1.5WAR. I really like the sox chances competing next year as a dark horse for the wild card and going forward seeing how pitching peaks far earlier than hitting and the sox have young pitching

 

Absolutely love the analysis.

 

You're right -- many "Ifs" and many more "best case scenario comparisons." However, nothing you write is at all "off the wall." Plus, what an incredible shot in the arm it would be to this franchise if a certain Mr. Rick Hahn can somehow morph this decaying and low-ceilinged version of a franchise into something with hope and growth potential. The Sox fanbase always seems most energized when it can root for "home grown" (at least at the major league level) young talent, then augmenting that talent at the right time with the right "ringers."

 

[iamshack]

I dunno...something bugs me about the main piece coming back being "a Bill Mueller" type...I guess I was sort of hoping that the main piece would have a ceiling of Evan Longoria or something

[GGajewski18]

It's been a few days since Bucket has updated us on what's going on, I wonder if any new information is out there that we don't know about. If anything is close.

[southsider2k5]

Jon Morosi just tweeted, "Mariners had high level scouts at Peavy Start yesterday and Brewers-Padres all week, the sort of thing a buyer would be expected to do."

 

Now that's interesting.

 

So what is to say they weren't scouting the Tigers as sellers?

[witesoxfan]

It's been a few days since Bucket has updated us on what's going on, I wonder if any new information is out there that we don't know about. If anything is close.

 

It's amazing how well this post fits here

 

The guess is going to be yes.

 

Honestly, we need to stop pestering bucket for information. Be glad for the info that he does share with us, and let's leave it the luxury it is. He hears more than we do, but it's generally all speculation anyways.

 

I say this with no means to offend bucket by any stretch of the imagination, and we are greatful of any info posters on the site can share with us behind the machinations of the White Sox organization. At the same time, it's still hearsay and most of the time, the deal falls through and nothing comes of it.

 

This reminds me of my entrepreneurship class. You can think of 100 good business ideas. Of those, you may be able to make legitimate progress on 10 of them. Of those 10, you MIGHT get 1 to succeed. It's not a high probablity outcome.

 

 

At this stage in the game, you really aren't going to hear anything until the talks get to the point where a deal is about to happen. I'm guessing bucket is a busy guy, so posting White Sox trade rumors on a message board likely isn't his top priority. Anything you hear is going to be reported by writers all over the country, and it's our job as fans to sift through the s*** to find the truth.

 

 

[GGajewski18]

So what is to say they weren't scouting the Tigers as sellers?

 

Just figured. And I put that post in the Peavy thread. My bad.

[southsider2k5]

Just figured. And I put that post in the Peavy thread. My bad.

 

No biggie.

[GGajewski18]

It's amazing how well this post fits here

 

Sarcasm?

[witesoxfan]

Sarcasm?

 

No, absolutely not. My post that I quoted, which I brought from another thread, fits this thread and your post perfectly. Bucket isn't going to have anything new that's going to blow your mind that he hasn't already said.

 

Here, I can say this:

 

"There is a deal that's close, but I can't go into specifics."

 

And it's the same thing and it's true, and I haven't consulted anyone within any MLB organization.

 

As I mentioned in the other post, this isn't a slight against bucket, and we are appreciative of any information provided by posters, but rather that this is a season of misinformation and we can hear about deals that are close that will never finish and never be reported by the media, and we won't hear anything about deals that will come together and be finalized in about 2 hours.

 

Just relax.

[GGajewski18]

No, absolutely not. My post that I quoted, which I brought from another thread, fits this thread and your post perfectly. Bucket isn't going to have anything new that's going to blow your mind that he hasn't already said.

 

Here, I can say this:

 

"There is a deal that's close, but I can't go into specifics."

 

And it's the same thing and it's true, and I haven't consulted anyone within any MLB organization.

 

As I mentioned in the other post, this isn't a slight against bucket, and we are appreciative of any information provided by posters, but rather that this is a season of misinformation and we can hear about deals that are close that will never finish and never be reported by the media, and we won't hear anything about deals that will come together and be finalized in about 2 hours.

 

Just relax.

 

I'm relaxed. Got it.

[Eminor3rd]

I'M NOT RELAXED I AM TIRED OF WAITING AND WORRYING THAT THE TRADES AREN'T GOING TO HAPPEN SO COME ON LET'S DO THIS

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously, though.

[2nd_city_saint787]

No way can he play shortstop. Too big for the position and doesn't have the range. His power will develope 20-25 homer power. Love his potential and his on base rate. We don't have anyone in our lineup with that potential. Huge fan of Cecchini and love his potential at 3b

 

I wouldn't say 6'2" 200 is too big for SS...Tulo is 6'4" 215.

 

You would think someone who stole 51 bags would have a pretty good first step, speed, and thus good range...

 

I just don't see how we can project him to be a 20-25 HR hitter when he's shown very little little power so far. I'm looking at his HS stats and even with an aluminum bat he didn't show of a lot of power.

 

 

I saw an article about Cecchini saying he's breaking the mold of what a 3rd baseman is typically thought of due to his lack of power and his base stealing, and that's cool and all but I'm just afraid with Lexi and Beckhams disappearing power that we won't have enough pop to garner having a 3rd baseman who's "breaking the mold".....holy run on sentences batman.

[witesoxfan]

I wouldn't say 6'2" 200 is too big for SS...Tulo is 6'4" 215.

 

You would think someone who stole 51 bags would have a pretty good first step, speed, and thus good range...

 

I just don't see how we can project him to be a 20-25 HR hitter when he's shown very little little power so far. I'm looking at his HS stats and even with an aluminum bat he didn't show of a lot of power.

 

 

I saw an article about Cecchini saying he's breaking the mold of what a 3rd baseman is typically thought of due to his lack of power and his base stealing, and that's cool and all but I'm just afraid with Lexi and Beckhams disappearing power that we won't have enough pop to garner having a 3rd baseman who's "breaking the mold".....holy run on sentences batman.

 

38 doubles last year, 28 doubles already this year plus 7 homers.

 

Alex Rios is a guy most would consider to have 20-25 homer power. From the ages of 18-21 and a span of 380 games below the AA level, Alex Rios hit 6 home runs. His first year in the majors, he hit 1.

 

Power develops, and there are signs of it. A lot of times, guys who hit .340 in the minors with a lot of doubles have what it takes to develop power because they're a good hitter and know how to hit. Over time, they learn to actually hit for home runs.

 

Cecchini would be a great get.

[Balta1701]

38 doubles last year, 28 doubles already this year plus 7 homers.

 

Alex Rios is a guy most would consider to have 20-25 homer power. From the ages of 18-21 and a span of 380 games below the AA level, Alex Rios hit 6 home runs. His first year in the majors, he hit 1.

 

Power develops, and there are signs of it. A lot of times, guys who hit .340 in the minors with a lot of doubles have what it takes to develop power because they're a good hitter and know how to hit. Over time, they learn to actually hit for home runs.

 

Cecchini would be a great get.

My alternative though is Ryan Sweeney, people kept saying the same thing about him, at age 21 in Charlotte he hit 13 HR's and 25 doubles (3 3b), but never developed a power game at the big league level and that turned him into a backup.

[witesoxfan]

My alternative though is Ryan Sweeney, people kept saying the same thing about him, at age 21 in Charlotte he hit 13 HR's and 25 doubles (3 3b), but never developed a power game at the big league level and that turned him into a backup.

 

He's also been injury prone. He was killing the ball for the Cubs, but then he got hurt again.

 

He was also never a .340 hitter in the minors (or really, really good). His 2006 was phenomenal with everything taken into consideration, but 2007 he definitely fell off, and then he was traded. He's still been a pretty good hitter, especially against righties.

 

If our best case scenario is David Wright and we expect him to turn into a Bill Mueller or Alex Rios type, and his floor is Ryan Sweeney, I'd be pretty happy so long as strong defense comes with it.

[iamshack]

He's also been injury prone. He was killing the ball for the Cubs, but then he got hurt again.

 

He was also never a .340 hitter in the minors (or really, really good). His 2006 was phenomenal with everything taken into consideration, but 2007 he definitely fell off, and then he was traded. He's still been a pretty good hitter, especially against righties.

 

If our best case scenario is David Wright and we expect him to turn into a Bill Mueller or Alex Rios type, and his floor is Ryan Sweeney, I'd be pretty happy so long as strong defense comes with it.

And he is handsome like those guys

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

And he is handsome like those guys

It appears now that we have all had our say on who the Sox should be targeting and we are weary. Calm before the storm ?