ShandyMan Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Thanks O's for showing interest, you just drove up the price for the red sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 11:46 PM) Kirkjan was just on Baseball Tonight and he said he thinks Peavy goes and Rios stays because he's not a big enough difference maker to championship ball clubs. That's what they said about Geoff Blum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 This fake interest by Baltimore is a direct response to the fake availability of Samardzija. Come on Red Sox! If you want Jake F****** Peavy, you are going to give up a lot. I love watching Jake pitch. The guy is a bulldog! He gets so fired up, sometimes he just can't help himself and he says GOSH BLESSIT!!, GOSH BLESSIT!!! Pay BIG Boston, or let me continue to watch the Jakemeister in a good guy uniform. Stand firm Mr. Hahn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 04:46 AM) Kirkjan was just on Baseball Tonight and he said he thinks Peavy goes and Rios stays because he's not a big enough difference maker to championship ball clubs. Rios isn't a "difference maker"-few, if any, bats available this deadline are. I agree Rios alone won't win a team a championship. But he can be a better option for some teams than what they currently have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyAcosta41 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 06:36 AM) This fake interest by Baltimore is a direct response to the fake availability of Samardzija. B ... I ... N ... G ... O. You nailed it, man. Mis, dis, and non information. Who are the contenders? And the pretenders? With Peavy in particular, but also with Rios and Ramirez, need to increase the pressure, stoke that sense of impending doom, and basically encourage someone, anyone, to play the part of KW and pony-up ... whatever it takes! Edited July 28, 2013 by CyAcosta41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 QUOTE (beck72 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 07:41 AM) Rios isn't a "difference maker"-few, if any, bats available this deadline are. I agree Rios alone won't win a team a championship. But he can be a better option for some teams than what they currently have. I do agree with this. No way Rangers get Stanton, Edcarncion, or bautista. What other bats are "better" than Rios? Maybe Pence but I don't think so. Rangers are blowing smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 06:39 AM) I do agree with this. No way Rangers get Stanton, Edcarncion, or bautista. What other bats are "better" than Rios? Maybe Pence but I don't think so. Rangers are blowing smoke. The question is how much of a bigger impact can Rios make than what they have already? And is that worth what the Sox are asking for? Not likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 09:35 AM) The question is how much of a bigger impact can Rios make than what they have already? And is that worth what the Sox are asking for? Not likely. You have a point, but the Rangers have shown they want to win now. And I.believe Rios is better than Murphy and the rookie they have going out there every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/a-ro...rough-2014.html Biosgenisis suspensions can come this week. This can be huge for the Sox, Rios and Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 11:34 AM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/a-ro...rough-2014.html Biosgenisis suspensions can come this week. This can be huge for the Sox, Rios and Rangers. Cruz will likely be suspended for the rest of the year. They have to do something if they want to play in October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 11:42 AM) Cruz will likely be suspended for the rest of the year. They have to do something if they want to play in October. Agreed. And I think it comes down to Pence and Rios. We'll see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 12:42 PM) Cruz will likely be suspended for the rest of the year. They have to do something if they want to play in October. These are going to be some long appeals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Cruz is an idiot if he appeals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 11:46 AM) Cruz is an idiot if he appeals Rangers also have to think of this too, Cruz can appeal and if he doesn't get suspended until 2014 then they have no RF. With Pence, he's a free agent at the end of the year and there would be no guarantee he would resign if Texas were to acquire him. With Rios, you can add him to the line up this year with Berkman being out for the year, and have your RF in 2014 with Cruz suspended. Rios seems like a logical fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 12:46 PM) Cruz is an idiot if he appeals Depending on what MLB comes down with, these appeals might have a chance at some success, at least getting the suspensions cut down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 11:54 AM) Depending on what MLB comes down with, these appeals might have a chance at some success, at least getting the suspensions cut down. With how big scandal is, no way this happens in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike65 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 10:54 AM) Depending on what MLB comes down with, these appeals might have a chance at some success, at least getting the suspensions cut down. I assume that if Rios is suspended it would be 50 games plus the postseason. Is that everyone's else assumption? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 QUOTE (mike65 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 11:57 AM) I assume that if Rios is suspended it would be 50 games plus the postseason. Is that everyone's else assumption? Cruz** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 QUOTE (mike65 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 12:57 PM) I assume that if Rios is suspended it would be 50 games plus the postseason. Is that everyone's else assumption? Actually it sounds like that is not the assumption, people seem to be guessing that MLB is going to start with at least 100 games, which they apparently have the right to do. They may attempt to do a lifetime ban for ARoid for all we know. The only reason Braun would willingly take 65 is that MLB was going to come down with something harder than 50 on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 09:50 AM) Rangers also have to think of this too, Cruz can appeal and if he doesn't get suspended until 2014 then they have no RF. With Pence, he's a free agent at the end of the year and there would be no guarantee he would resign if Texas were to acquire him. With Rios, you can add him to the line up this year with Berkman being out for the year, and have your RF in 2014 with Cruz suspended. Rios seems like a logical fit. Cruz is a free agent in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 12:05 PM) Cruz is a free agent in 2014. I didn't know that. Thanks for Clarifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 11:54 AM) Depending on what MLB comes down with, these appeals might have a chance at some success, at least getting the suspensions cut down. I disagree. The appeals process will be very difficult, as none of these suspensions are based on actual tests. As a result, baseball can actually suspend the players for however long they choose, as the CBA stipulated suspensions (50, 100, life), are for failed drug tests only. If the players are actually dumb enough to appeal MLB's decisions, and if MLB thinks their evidence is iron clad, Selig could increase the suspensions to whatever he feels like (see Arod's potential suspension). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 01:25 PM) I disagree. The appeals process will be very difficult, as none of these suspensions are based on actual tests. As a result, baseball can actually suspend the players for however long they choose, as the CBA stipulated suspensions (50, 100, life), are for failed drug tests only. If the players are actually dumb enough to appeal MLB's decisions, and if MLB thinks their evidence is iron clad, Selig could increase the suspensions to whatever he feels like (see Arod's potential suspension). Baseball can respond to a player using their right to appeal by increasing a suspension? That doesn't sound right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 12:38 PM) Baseball can respond to a player using their right to appeal by increasing a suspension? That doesn't sound right. There is nothing in the CBA that says otherwise. Edit: I finally see what you're saying now, Balta. I'm being dense... I think MLB has been in touch with all of the affected players and has laid out some evidence implicating them. MLB has most likely offered to suspend the players for the rest of the season. If the players do appeal, I think MLB will increase the suspension for all parties involved. After that, I would think they can appeal (to whom I have no idea). THAT'S what I was trying to say. Edited July 28, 2013 by Cerbaho-WG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 It's like a plea bargain. "You can take the rest of the year now, or you'll be appealing a 150 game suspension" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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