HeGone7 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I understand I am likely in the minority here but this is a failure in my eyes on Hahn and the Sox. I am all for getting a fair deal, and that may not be "the best deal", but you cannot fall on your face as we did. 2nd to last in baseball, big contracts on books and players clogging positions you hoped to clear for young guys to audition. I just can't fathom that of all the years we see major players moving for major prospects, this is the year they do not. There is still time to deal some guys in August, and the offseason obviously, but in my eyes things have delayed our recovery time. I get we didn't want garbage or a guy just to have one, but creativity, as we saw with Boston is key in these situations. I can't help but be grossly disappointed and maybe that disappointment is being channeled incorrectly onto Hahn, but where else do we put the blame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 02:10 PM) "I hope he stands strong and gets good value for these players" "WHY DIDNT HE DO ANYTHING!!!!" So much LOL. Yeah, without having any idea what he was being offered, it's really difficult to criticize the guy. From what he has done thus far, and what I know about him, I trust that if anything would have come up that really benefited the Org, he would have pulled the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 QUOTE (HeGone7 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:11 PM) I understand I am likely in the minority here but this is a failure in my eyes on Hahn and the Sox. I am all for getting a fair deal, and that may not be "the best deal", but you cannot fall on your face as we did. 2nd to last in baseball, big contracts on books and players clogging positions you hoped to clear for young guys to audition. I just can't fathom that of all the years we see major players moving for major prospects, this is the year they do not. There is still time to deal some guys in August, and the offseason obviously, but in my eyes things have delayed our recovery time. I get we didn't want garbage or a guy just to have one, but creativity, as we saw with Boston is key in these situations. I can't help but be grossly disappointed and maybe that disappointment is being channeled incorrectly onto Hahn, but where else do we put the blame? What players are clogging positions where we have MLB ready guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:10 PM) Hitters coming into their prime, please. Not getting that in this soon to be FA market. What we need to do is get Kanye West to convince Jay z to have Cano sign with the Sox. =p Edited July 31, 2013 by scs787 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeGone7 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:10 PM) "I hope he stands strong and gets good value for these players" "WHY DIDNT HE DO ANYTHING!!!!" So much LOL. Honestly, this is how I feel. It's a catch 22 I guess but I still feel like more could've been done. I wasn't in the room during his calls but to not make a single move with Rios, Alexei, Lindy, Beckham, Dunn, or Dayan is just shocking. I can understand one, but not all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 03:10 PM) I would bet a lot of $$ that AJ will not be back here as long as Robin Ventura is the manager. Pretty sure most people don't want AJ to return. Just give the at-bats to Phegley. Find out what you have. As much as I liked A.J. (and he took over for Louie Aparicio as my all-time favorite Sox player), I don't even want him back. Not at this stage in his career. I'd only want him back as an announcer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 03:25 PM) Doug Padilla @ESPNChiSox 18m Rios on not being moved at deadline: "I'm cool staying here. I like this place." yea, no pressure. do what he wants. Just how he likes it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:17 PM) yea, no pressure. do what he wants. Just how he likes it. It's reading into an extremely short quote. From what I gather, he's not allowed to like it here. Oh yeah, bigtime clubhouse cancer. Awful person. Last year, funny how we werent reading into cryptic quotes when he was giving us 100 points higher OPS Edited July 31, 2013 by Jose Paniagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 03:39 PM) Tell me about him? Potential Baby Tulo in the making IMO. I still can't see us being worse than the Marlins like I said in another thread, so Beede wouldn't be a bad consolation prize at all. Top of the rotation stuff, good potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:10 PM) "I hope he stands strong and gets good value for these players" "WHY DIDNT HE DO ANYTHING!!!!" So much LOL. Rock do you sense that Arizona and whatever other deals were just going to pale in comparison to Avisail/Montas? I think there's this false narrative being created here that we lost out on a prospect haul because of an unwillingness to give money over. Where leaguewide were all these outstanding prospects being shipped around? We mustve lost out on a bunch of guys that went elsewhere, to hear some here tell it. Edited July 31, 2013 by Jose Paniagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 QUOTE (HeGone7 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:14 PM) Honestly, this is how I feel. It's a catch 22 I guess but I still feel like more could've been done. I wasn't in the room during his calls but to not make a single move with Rios, Alexei, Lindy, Beckham, Dunn, or Dayan is just shocking. I can understand one, but not all. Beckham, Dunn and Dayan werent getting traded. Lindstrom was borderline The other two are good chips and you want value for them that exceeds what they bring to the White Sox, or what they could bring even at the waiver deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:24 PM) Rock do you sense that Arizona and whatever other deals were just going to pale in comparison to Avisail/Montas? I think there's this false narrative being created here that we lost out on a prospect haul because of an unwillingness to give money over. Where league wide were all these outstanding prospects being shipped around? We mustve lost out on a bunch of guys that went elsewhere, to hear some here tell it. From what I heard AZ was offering a similar package to what we got but they want us to foot quite a bit of his bill. I would guess mgmt wanted to unload the entire contract if they could, and they did. I mean would a package around Bradley really do anything for anyone on this board? How about getting Holmberg back and eating salary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 09:28 PM) From what I heard AZ was offering a similar package to what we got but they want us to foot quite a bit of his bill. I would guess mgmt wanted to unload the entire contract if they could, and they did. I mean would a package around Bradley really do anything for anyone on this board? How about getting Holmberg back and eating salary? Are you referring to Archie here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:21 PM) It's reading into an extremely short quote. From what I gather, he's not allowed to like it here. Oh yeah, bigtime clubhouse cancer. Awful person. Last year, funny how we werent reading into cryptic quotes when he was giving us 100 points higher OPS He lollygags it a lot. He's a decent player, but we need to change-over this roster. He's one of the few others who have value along with De Aza (whom people were also screaming to trade, despite decent numbers), and Alexei and Lindstrom. There is a reason people weren't screaming to trade Flowers and Veal...no one wants them. I think poor coaching is a big problem on this team (I know- this board loves the work of Ventura and Baines so I'm ducking) and I hope that an experienced professional staff is brought in here....at least someone who's been in the dugout recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoxAce Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:30 PM) Are you referring to Archie here? Ima assume he meant Jackie, though I could be wrong cause that whole 3 way deal throws it off. Edited July 31, 2013 by SoxAce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:24 PM) Beckham, Dunn and Dayan werent getting traded. Lindstrom was borderline The other two are good chips and you want value for them that exceeds what they bring to the White Sox, or what they could bring even at the waiver deadline. Of course the value of this group in the field is about that of a 50-60 win team (the quality starting pitching bringing it up to a 70 win team, which I think we'd be if we had better coaching and more effort and things not snowballing as they have). We can't go into next year without some major upgrades in position players, to at least bring some guys who can play some D in here, if nothing else. Edited July 31, 2013 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:28 PM) From what I heard AZ was offering a similar package to what we got but they want us to foot quite a bit of his bill. I would guess mgmt wanted to unload the entire contract if they could, and they did. I mean would a package around Bradley really do anything for anyone on this board? How about getting Holmberg back and eating salary? Wait what? Jackie Bradley? Archie Bradley? As in top 20 prospects in baseball? I would be ecstatic if that was the return. Edited July 31, 2013 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 09:08 PM) De Aza doesn't have the offense to play left. Yea, he's passable when we rebuild, but when your corners have no power, your deficient. De Aza would make for a well above average offensive left fielder this year. His slugging would put him 9th among LFers. He could be potentially defensively elite there, which would help even given the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:42 PM) Wait what? Jackie Bradley? Archie Bradley? As in top 20 prospects in baseball? I would be ecstatic if that was the return. Archie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:42 PM) Wait what? Jackie Bradley? Archie Bradley? As in top 20 prospects in baseball? I would be ecstatic if that was the return. Archie...I'd rather have the potential impact bat in Garcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 That's all folks. Hopefully something comes down the line shortly. Terrible trade deadline for a dead ass team. Hahn is over his head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 09:47 PM) Archie...I'd rather have the potential impact bat in Garcia. Um Archie is the top pitching prospect in all of baseball. With that said, I am almost positive there is no chance he was available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Since this has become the deadline catch-all, the biggest loss amongst the whole deadline is not getting anything for Lindstrom. Even an organizational player is worth more than his production the rest of the way Exactly. Hahn is a goddamned amateur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 10:48 PM) Hahn is over his head. Give him time. Teams now know our players are available. They also know Hahn probably can't send money and won't just give away Sox players. The Peavy and Thornton deals prove he wants at least a viable prospect in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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