Rios, $1M traded to Rangers

[RockRaines]

I used to see him and Jenks on the northside quite a bit around '05-'06

 

I always liked him.

They came into the bar I worked at quite a bit. That crew was a good group of guys.

[iamshack]

I really disagree with 1. There's a lot for him to work on there.

I was surprised to hear Stone say he had nothing left to prove there.

[cabiness42]

Like somebody said earlier, Hahn allegedly wanted a return of prospects for Rios before the trade deadline. In Hahn's world, he might look stupid just letting him go for salary relief now.

 

If the team that claimed Rios is really interested in getting him and not just claiming to block, the other team looks even more stupid by failing to complete a deal.

 

[lasttriptotulsa]

Then spend it on Choo and move Dayan to 1B.

 

Nah. Sign Ellsbury and I'll be a very happen man. Tank to 1st, outfield of De Aza, Ellsbury, Garcia.

[fathom]

As much as I'd like to get Rios' contract off the books, I hope Hahn doesn't let him go for nothing. Something about him trying to obtain an exorbitant package for him in return a week ago only to be followed up with him essentially "giving up" and letting him go for nothing, makes me worry about how he may be perceived by other GMs in the future and if it could negatively affect him in trying to make deals in the future.

 

From everything that was being reported the days leading up to the deadline, the prospects teams were offering for Rios were awful unless the Sox wanted to pick up money. The term "organization filler" was used.

[witesoxfan]

I dont know how much you've looked at the upcoming free agent class, but there isn't a fix there for either position

 

Morales, Morse, Lind, and Morneau are all possibilities at 1B. Morales is the preferred choice, but the others would suffice.

 

 

[Dunt]

Then spend it on Choo and move Dayan to 1B.

 

Is there any way they can trade Dayan for something? Anything?

[fathom]

Nah. Sign Ellsbury and I'll be a very happen man. Tank to 1st, outfield of De Aza, Ellsbury, Garcia.

 

I'm sure the chance of the White Sox getting Ellsbury is probably 1%, but I'd be on board for an ADA/Ellsbury/Garcia outfield next year.

[fathom]

Is there any way they can trade Dayan for something? Anything?

 

My uneducated opinion is Viciedo will get traded for a set-up man this offseason who has the potential to become a closer.

Edited August 8, 2013 by fathom

[witesoxfan]

Nah. Sign Ellsbury and I'll be a very happen man. Tank to 1st, outfield of De Aza, Ellsbury, Garcia.

 

Ellsbury is represented by Scott Boras. So is Shin Soo Choo. All teams get an additional $25 million this year. Keeping that in mind, be aware that Michael Bourn signed a 4 year, $48 million contract with the Indians. Bourn is not as good as either of them, nor is he as well known. You are legitimately talking about both of those two players getting upwards of $20 million a year.

 

Just so we're aware.

[Andy the Clown]

Ellsbury is represented by Scott Boras. So is Shin Soo Choo. All teams get an additional $25 million this year. Keeping that in mind, be aware that Michael Bourn signed a 4 year, $48 million contract with the Indians. Bourn is not as good as either of them, nor is he as well known. You are legitimately talking about both of those two players getting upwards of $20 million a year.

 

Just so we're aware.

 

Then it's a good thing we're shedding so much salary. ; )

[greg775]

As much as I'd like to get Rios' contract off the books, I hope Hahn doesn't let him go for nothing. Something about him trying to obtain an exorbitant package for him in return a week ago only to be followed up with him essentially "giving up" and letting him go for nothing, makes me worry about how he may be perceived by other GMs in the future and if it could negatively affect him in trying to make deals in the future.

Interesting topic. I tend to agree with you.

 

From everything that was being reported the days leading up to the deadline, the prospects teams were offering for Rios were awful unless the Sox wanted to pick up money. The term "organization filler" was used.

 

If the teams were only offering filler, can't they just ship the Sox two lower level guys going nowhere and call it a deal? There's still the same issue of the Sox paying some of the salary next season. I still bet there's word from the top to not pay any of Rios' salary. The Grobber was talking about that one night and said he felt the Sox, rightly so, would not be paying any of their players to play for another team.

[iamshack]

Ellsbury is represented by Scott Boras. So is Shin Soo Choo. All teams get an additional $25 million this year. Keeping that in mind, be aware that Michael Bourn signed a 4 year, $48 million contract with the Indians. Bourn is not as good as either of them, nor is he as well known. You are legitimately talking about both of those two players getting upwards of $20 million a year.

 

Just so we're aware.

If Choo gets that then Boras truly will have earned his money.

[greg775]

Ellsbury is represented by Scott Boras. So is Shin Soo Choo. All teams get an additional $25 million this year. Keeping that in mind, be aware that Michael Bourn signed a 4 year, $48 million contract with the Indians. Bourn is not as good as either of them, nor is he as well known. You are legitimately talking about both of those two players getting upwards of $20 million a year.

 

Just so we're aware.

 

Wow. So whoever acquires Ellsbury and Choo shortly after will be trying to dump them for salary relief (cause they are not worth 20 million a year). Baseball owners are so crazy.

[Chisoxfn]

Very interesting. If the Sox just let him walk without adding something, I would expect them to be players for one major FA signing. I think they'll be able to get something in return or at least i expect Hahn to play hardball and the fact that he didn't just give Rios away at the deadline should help give him some leverage wen he talks to teams.

[royoung]

Financial flexibility is king in a rebuild.

 

I would be livid, as you should be, if we just dumped him for salary relief. Everything the Sox have said and indicated through these moves are that we are "reloading" not "rebuilding." Rios has value, we might have to eat some salary to get a premium prospect, but it can be done. Dumping salary would be a cop out, especially after we didn't pay any of Peavy's outgoing contract.

[Balta1701]

Wow. So whoever acquires Ellsbury and Choo shortly after will be trying to dump them for salary relief (cause they are not worth 20 million a year). Baseball owners are so crazy.

Basically yes. That's actually how a functioning market should work...the team signing those guys should be the top bidding team. That means the team signing them should be willing to pay more for them than any other team. If a guy could be signed and put on waivers the very next day, in theory, no one should claim him because no one was willing to meet that price the day beforehand.

 

The only reason why another team would be willing to claim that contract is if the player's value to that other team increases for some reason beyond what they were willing to pay on the free agent market.

[fathom]

Just remember, the Rangers thought Cruz was going to appeal his suspension, so it's very possible they claimed Rios and are now much more desperate to get him than they were at the deadline (Sorry if someone posted this already)

[Soxfest]

There's no point in just letting him go.

We shall see............... Sox can win just as many games rest of year with or without Rios. Let me be on the record I hope we get something in return.

Edited August 8, 2013 by Soxfest

[Dick Allen]

How does it work with what is coming back? If what the Sox want is on the 40 man, wouldn't they have to clear waivers as well? I think the Sox will try to buy a prospect, but if that fails will just let him go.

[witesoxfan]

If Choo gets that then Boras truly will have earned his money.

 

$20 mill may be on the high end, but I don't see any way he will get less than $16 million

[Balta1701]

I would be livid, as you should be, if we just dumped him for salary relief. Everything the Sox have said and indicated through these moves are that we are "reloading" not "rebuilding." Rios has value, we might have to eat some salary to get a premium prospect, but it can be done. Dumping salary would be a cop out, especially after we didn't pay any of Peavy's outgoing contract.

It's also worth remembering that the difference between letting Rios go now and trading him in the offseason is what, $3 million? Yeah that's enough to pay for a reliever for 1 year, but it's less than the cost of the option on Lindstrom next year.

[Balta1701]

How does it work with what is coming back? If what the Sox want is on the 40 man, wouldn't they have to clear waivers as well? I think the Sox will try to buy a prospect, but if that fails will just let him go.

Correct, the Sox can only take people back who have a.) cleared waivers or b.) are not on the 40 man roster, unless they use the PTBNL setup somehow (and teams don't like to do that for guys on their 40 man anyway. Can you imagine a guy contributing to a team in September and then finding out he was a PTBNL?)

[iamshack]

Basically yes. That's actually how a functioning market should work...the team signing those guys should be the top bidding team. That means the team signing them should be willing to pay more for them than any other team. If a guy could be signed and put on waivers the very next day, in theory, no one should claim him because no one was willing to meet that price the day beforehand.

 

The only reason why another team would be willing to claim that contract is if the player's value to that other team increases for some reason beyond what they were willing to pay on the free agent market.

I think he's just following up on his post a few weeks back about owners paying players way too much money.

[royoung]

Just remember, the Rangers thought Cruz was going to appeal his suspension, so it's very possible they claimed Rios and are now much more desperate to get him than they were at the deadline (Sorry if someone posted this already)

 

I have a hard time believing they didn't know by July 31st what his plan was. I doubt he just up and decided to serve it without letting them know. His name has been attached to this all year, he and the Rangers had time to deliberate and form a plan.