LittleHurt05 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 03:06 PM) Or July 19 when there are games again. Or he can sneak into the Home Run Derby and surprisingly strike some sluggers out on national TV! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:41 PM) Or he can sneak into the Home Run Derby and surprisingly strike some sluggers out on national TV! With our luck, Dunn would hit Jesse's slider and knock him out with a comebacker. By Mark Gonzales, Tribune reporter 3:07 p.m. CDT, July 3, 2013 Reliever Jesse Crain, who figured to be one of the Chicago White Sox's primary trade candidates this month, and first baseman Paul Konerko were placed on the 15-day disabled list Wednesday. Crain (shoulder strain) was placed on the DL retroactive to June 30, and manager Robin Ventura said he could be ready to return after the July 15-18 All-Star break. Crain's condition flared up while he was warming up in the seventh inning of Tuesday's game but sat down after the White Sox extended their lead with three runs en route to a 5-2 win over the Orioles. Crain is 2-3 with a 0.74 ERA and 46 strikeouts in 38 games. Konerko, who has been battling a lower-back strain, went 0-for-4 Tuesday with two strikeouts. He is hitting .249 with seven homers and 37 RBI in 67 games, and also is expected to return after the break. Edited July 3, 2013 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Man, we're really going to miss Crain for that Tigers series. Hawk told me the Sox can back in this thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:46 PM) Man, we're really going to miss Crain for that Tigers series. Hawk told me the Sox can back in this thing. Against DET from 2010-2012, he's had a 4.15 ERA and two blown saves in two opportunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 03:55 PM) Against DET from 2010-2012, he's had a 4.15 ERA and two blown saves in two opportunities. You really took the time to look that up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Anyone think this is the White Sox shutting him down in order to keep him from being injured until they can trade him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 04:02 PM) Anyone think this is the White Sox shutting him down in order to keep him from being injured until they can trade him? Yeah, I think it's probably a slight discomfort and they don't want to take any chances. In the process, he gets to rest his arm. So he comes back after the break, makes 2-3 appearances, shows he's ok, and gets traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 12:59 PM) If that's true, we've managed to blow (even if it's terrible luck) 80-85% of what could have gotten in return this season for Floyd, Peavy and Crain if they were all healthy. "If it wasn't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all." Floyd I won't blame them for. This Crain thing is bad. Overworked and would have commanded a ton. Now you have to hope he gets back so you can deal him. Peavy was a fluke too. Its the risk you take when you don't make deals when they are available, especially with pitchers. f*** this really sucks. Sox could have gotten a really legitimate piece plus another solid piece for Crain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 09:24 PM) It is bad luck but anyone who really thinks 2 months of Jesse Crain is going to get you a huge piece of your future is in la la land. If these players were as valuable as some believe, there is no way the Sox would be in last place. I agree 100 percent. Now, however, when we do trade Crain for scraps, everybody will say it's simply because of the injury. I think we get cash considerations and a player to be named later for him. Or some minor league fringe prospect. We're talking 2 months of Jesse Crain for goshsakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:08 PM) I agree 100 percent. Now, however, when we do trade Crain for scraps, everybody will say it's simply because of the injury. I think we get cash considerations and a player to be named later for him. Or some minor league fringe prospect. We're talking 2 months of Jesse Crain for goshsakes. Crain is arguably the best reliever on the market. Take a look at the type of returns top relievers have gotten at the trade deadline (and be prepared to be surprised...teams pay a lot for these kind of guys). They command some pretty good talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) I disagree with you guys on how badly this will hurt his value...these GM's aren't idiots...they know what his workload has been and his injury history is. If he comes back and has 2-3 outings like he was having regularly before, I really don think they're going to lose that much value. Edited July 3, 2013 by iamshack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 09:10 PM) Crain is arguably the best reliever on the market. Take a look at the type of returns top relievers have gotten at the trade deadline (and be prepared to be surprised...teams pay a lot for these kind of guys). They command some pretty good talent. Also, a team could easily offer him arbitration and he should qualify for some sort of compensatory pick (and what you'd have to offer for arbitration wouldn't be all that bad). I thought the Sox would have to offer him a ton in arbitration in order to get comp pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 04:11 PM) I thought the Sox would have to offer him a ton in arbitration in order to get comp pick? This is true. NO ONE is offering Jesse Crain a qualifying offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 05:11 PM) I thought the Sox would have to offer him a ton in arbitration in order to get comp pick? $14 million or so qualifying offer I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 04:10 PM) I disagree with you guys on how badly this will hurt his value...these GM's aren't idiots...they know what his workload has been and his injury history is. If he comes back and has 2-3 outings like he was having regularly before, I really don think they're going to lose that much value. If he can show health, he will still bring a big return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Could the Sox get more if they tell teams Peavy and Crain are a package deal? If you want one, you have to take both...and then get a better prospect instead of weak prospects in separate deals. (that is if they both are healthy pitchers around July 25th) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:12 PM) $14 million or so qualifying offer I believe. Well nevermind then. I stand corrected on that side. Still, a contender who needs bullpen help would love to have a guy like Crain and healthy, the Sox would get some serious chips. Probalby more then any player not named Alex Rios (who is on the block). Addison Reed would probably command more and Thornton should net you something pretty solid too. Sox suck cause there defense is horrid and they can't execute or hit. Their top relievers (Thorty/Crain) both have extensive value as does Alexei (not top flight value but someone will give up some decent chips for him; no #1 prospect but something solid) and Rios clearly would net you something. Peavy should net you something solid, if it doesn't, you hold onto him. Danks, you might let go and just take the cash savings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Somewhere between $13.3M and $14M is what it would take (which is the average of the top 125 players salaries). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 03:11 PM) I thought the Sox would have to offer him a ton in arbitration in order to get comp pick? $13-14 million or whatever the indexed number is.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 03:14 PM) Well nevermind then. I stand corrected on that side. Still, a contender who needs bullpen help would love to have a guy like Crain and healthy, the Sox would get some serious chips. Probalby more then any player not named Alex Rios (who is on the block). Addison Reed would probably command more and Thornton should net you something pretty solid too. Sox suck cause there defense is horrid and they can't execute or hit. Their top relievers (Thorty (REALLY?)/Crain) both have extensive value as does Alexei (not top flight value but someone will give up some decent chips for him; no #1 prospect but something solid) and Rios clearly would net you something. Peavy should net you something solid, if it doesn't, you hold onto him. Danks, you might let go and just take the cash savings. You skipped DeAza and Lindstrom. A guy like Lindstrom for only $500 K is a bargain, veteran experience, former closer...he's not far off from Jason Frasor, and a much cheaper contract. Frasor was mostly garbage for us. Edited July 3, 2013 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:02 PM) Anyone think this is the White Sox shutting him down in order to keep him from being injured until they can trade him? Or maybe he's already traded ,so scan the minor and major league rosters to see who else is being put on the DL while they work out the rest of the deal. Edited July 3, 2013 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:12 PM) If he can show health, he will still bring a big return. The other GM's may actually view it partially as a positive because he'll get three weeks of much-needed rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I think this injury will irreparably harm his trade value. How much is debatable, but a pitcher just coming off an arm injury is always a big risk. We didn't do this for s***s and giggles, he clearly has something going on or they wouldn't have told the world that he's having a problem right before he gets traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:21 PM) You skipped DeAza and Lindstrom. A guy like Lindstrom for only $500 K is a bargain, veteran experience, former closer...he's not far off from Jason Frasor, and a much cheaper contract. Frasor was mostly garbage for us. Agree they have value but I don't think they have as much as the other guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:39 PM) I think this injury will irreparably harm his trade value. How much is debatable, but a pitcher just coming off an arm injury is always a big risk. We didn't do this for s***s and giggles, he clearly has something going on or they wouldn't have told the world that he's having a problem right before he gets traded. Step away from the ledge. Yes Crain is the only piece the Sox actually have to move but I'm telling you he will be ready to rock n' roll once he comes back. Might be a bit of a dead arm thing. He's been throwing a lot of curves. Though I am one of the first to say I think the Sox can be competitive as soon as next year, realistically most are looking toward 2015. Hahn maybe sell off lesser pieces first and wait til closer to the deadline to deal the big boys . He might just price Peavy and Rios out of the market this year if he's got an eye on next year to compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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