caulfield12 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Olivo's name jumps out...as a back-up for Phegley and veteran tutor. Kelly Shoppach was just DFA'ed recently as well, although I think he accepted the assignment. Francouer would simply be a stopgap or placeholder in case we trade Rios... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 04:57 AM) Olivo's name jumps out...as a back-up for Phegley and veteran tutor. Kelly Shoppach was just DFA'ed recently as well, although I think he accepted the assignment. Francouer would simply be a stopgap or placeholder in case we trade Rios... None of these are good options. When the Sox start dealing players, you use players from within the system. No need to pick up retreads who will not do anything towards the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 06:54 AM) None of these are good options. When the Sox start dealing players, you use players from within the system. No need to pick up retreads who will not do anything towards the future And yet we have to field a competitive team next year, to an extent, with some experienced veterans (hopefully who have experience playing in "winning" organizations) sprinkled in here and there. Having a veteran back-up for Flowers or Phegley (assuming they don't go after McCann) is advisable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Olivo, Shoppach, and Francouer are going to make you worse, not better. If you pick up veterans, you pick up guys like McCann, Morales, Granderson, whoever. Guys that don't f***ing suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 07:31 AM) Olivo, Shoppach, and Francouer are going to make you worse, not better. If you pick up veterans, you pick up guys like McCann, Morales, Granderson, whoever. Guys that don't f***ing suck Yeah, that's fine...I'm not the one writing checks. If that was the case, we'd sign McCann, Utley, Morales and Granderson and be instantly competitive again next year. I was trying to anticipate what was more likely to happen...not what I would do, because, once again, that's not usually how the White Sox operate, with the exception of the Dunn free agency signing. And, that was a single player, not 3-4 in total. Edited July 5, 2013 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 08:26 AM) And yet we have to field a competitive team next year, to an extent, with some experienced veterans (hopefully who have experience playing in "winning" organizations) sprinkled in here and there. Having a veteran back-up for Flowers or Phegley (assuming they don't go after McCann) is advisable. They'll worry about a veteran back-up late in the offseason and pick up someone cheap. And that's only if they think the Flowers/Phegley combo is totally incompetent. If you aren't going balls out to win, you need your young guys to play so they can turn into Major Leaguers. Giving Olivo a ton of playing time does nothing but make you bad now and stop you from improving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 The Sox aren't going to add a veteran catcher. In the position they are in now is when they need to take their lumps to see if they have a starting catcher in the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 09:02 AM) The Sox aren't going to add a veteran catcher. In the position they are in now is when they need to take their lumps to see if they have a starting catcher in the mix. I never said I wanted him (Olivo/Shoppach) to play more than once every ten days. Just that it would be MUCH better to have an experienced tutor/mentor in that position than someone like Gimenez, who was never part of the long-term plan in the first place. Someone to show some leadership, who other players will listen to, a professional...because the coaching staff alone doesn't seem to be fixing all these defensive problems, so they need to look at other alternatives, SUCH AS having a "player/coach" in the Sandy Alomar, Jr., tradition as the back-up. I don't think they want to platoon Tyler and Josh. One player should be the clear starter (for the time being, Phegley), and the other should be getting everyday at-bats in Charlotte. Edited July 5, 2013 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 10:17 AM) I never said I wanted him (Olivo/Shoppach) to play more than once every ten days. Just that it would be MUCH better to have an experienced tutor/mentor in that position than someone like Gimenez, who was never part of the long-term plan in the first place. I don't think they want to platoon Tyler and Josh. One player should be the clear starter (for the time being, Phegley), and the other should be getting everyday at-bats in Charlotte. Continuing to develop these two and seeing who can be a starter for them going into the future, if either can, is the proper thing to do. They know that both of them can hit the pitching at AAA. Let them play an equal share going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 09:18 AM) Continuing to develop these two and seeing who can be a starter for them going into the future, if either can, is the proper thing to do. They know that both of them can hit the pitching at AAA. Let them play an equal share going forward. I can just anticipate all the Phegley fans saying he never really had an extended shot at everyday play because he was alternating with Tyler and never was able to get into an offensive rhythm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 10:17 AM) I never said I wanted him (Olivo/Shoppach) to play more than once every ten days. Then Olivo is not your man. That is exactly the reason he walked out on the Marlins. And thinking about it further, Olivo should not be on any team with the way he handled that(walking out on the Marlines due to decreased playing time). That is bush league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 09:22 AM) Then Olivo is not your man. That is exactly the reason he walked out on the Marlins. And thinking about it further, Olivo should not be on any team with the way he handled that(walking out on the Marlines due to decreased playing time). That is bush league I just want to hear Harrelson with the call when he throws someone out at 2B on a steal, lol. Fine, then Kelly Shoppach, from everything I've read, he's very well liked and respected around the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANS Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Do you start a thread for every idea that pops into your head? jeezus.....calm down..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 QUOTE (MEANS @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 11:33 AM) Do you start a thread for every idea that pops into your head? jeezus.....calm down..... Fine, then we should go back to the Catch-All Thread, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 12:47 PM) Fine, then we should go back to the Catch-All Thread, lol. No, no. Don't do that. This is fine. Catch-all was terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Olivo walked out on the Marlins in May because they would not release him finally got released the other day........I want no part of a quitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 12:02 PM) Olivo walked out on the Marlins in May because they would not release him finally got released the other day........I want no part of a quitter. Maybe he learned from Ozzie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 03:57 AM) Olivo's name jumps out...as a back-up for Phegley and veteran tutor. Kelly Shoppach was just DFA'ed recently as well, although I think he accepted the assignment. Francouer would simply be a stopgap or placeholder in case we trade Rios... How did you come to that conclusion? I thought they got rid of him because he was baseball stupid even though I liked him. Who did they trade him for? Edited July 5, 2013 by kitekrazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 04:52 PM) How did you come to that conclusion? I thought they got rid of him because he was baseball stupid even though I liked him. Who did they trade him for? nobody important... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 07:44 PM) nobody important... Just a relative of the manager... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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