Dick Allen Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 10:28 PM) Won't win many games, but they'll be tough to beat in skills' competition, especially if a stopwatch is involved. Their combine numbers will be off the charts.the wondererlic tests, probably not so good. Edited July 13, 2013 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 (edited) Well, were he in our system, he'd probably be in the 4-5-6 range in terms of prospect status... At least we're improving our talent/depth. So we've got a running back in K. Walker from Utah, another in Jacobs, Joe Borchard/Fields can play QB, Brian West LB, do we have a TE? Hawkins changed from football to baseball around his sophomore season of high school. Did Trayce play football or just basketball and baseball? Ht:6'1" Wt:230 lbs 40:4.52 secs Bench Max:335 Squat Max:570 Vertical:34 inches GPA:3.1 Class:2009 (High School) So he has about the same 40 time as Mitchell...but much bigger. Actually, he looks like a lot like Courtney Hawkins physique-wise. http://rivals.yahoo.com/auburn/football/re...toViewer=141404 Edited July 13, 2013 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 13, 2013 -> 03:28 AM) Another football player. They are determined to have one of these guys pan out. Borchard, Fields, Mitchell ... Frank Thomas. This kid was committed to Auburn. Maybe that was the plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 10:27 PM) Great value in my opinion. I know were in the minority, but what do people expect? We weren't getting a top 5 prospect. This kid has tons of offensive potential. Why not take the risk. Yeah, I think it's a decent gamble too. Hopefully we get more premium talent coming back when it comes to the Peavy and Rios deals later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 10:30 PM) Borchard, Fields, Mitchell ... Frank Thomas. This kid was committed to Auburn. Maybe that was the plan. Don't forget the Bears # 1 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShandyMan Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 We werent going to get much more than this for Thornton. Good trade. Why is everyone so burnt out of these type of players? Eventually your bound to hit on one, every system does this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 I would feel better if the Sox would have included Mitchell in the deal, just to show the Red Sox we care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 13, 2013 -> 03:31 AM) Don't forget the Bears # 1 pick. And that brief and forgettable look at Mitch Mustain. Ooops. Can't forget Clayton Richard, although I liked him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 And that brief and forgettable look at Mitch Mustain. Ooops. Can't forget Clayton Richard, although I liked him. I didn't care for Clayton Richard. Was glad to see him go. Only regret is that he didn't take Merkin with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 QUOTE (staxx @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 10:32 PM) We werent going to get much more than this for Thornton. Good trade. Why is everyone so burnt out of these type of players? Eventually your bound to hit on one, every system does this. I don't think anyone is burnt, but these are the players the Sox have failed miserably with since Frank Thomas. I think it does make it seem like a longer shot he is ultimately successful in Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 09:35 PM) I don't think anyone is burnt, but these are the players the Sox have failed miserably with since Frank Thomas. I think it does make it seem like a longer shot he is ultimately successful in Chicago. Waiting for the tweet from one of the Guillen kids about this trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 10:14 PM) Just off of reading the prospect descriptions, sounds a lot like Thompson. High power, tons of potential, athletic. That's what I thought. Only thing is Thompson plays a good CF, while Jacobs plays an adequate LF. That's a big difference. QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 10:25 PM) I don't know if I'm in the minority here but I think this was a really good return for Thornton. I agree. A 36-year-old Thornton wasn't very relevant to this team considering the standings. I think it's a very good move. After doing some reading I have Jacobs at No. 6 in the system behind Johnson, Thompson, Anderson, Hawkins and Phegley. He's clearly more advanced than a guy like Keon Barnum, who is just about a consensus top 10 prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 (edited) Sent 750k https://mobile.twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/sta...892981481472000 Edited July 13, 2013 by Knackattack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 QUOTE (danman31 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 10:43 PM) That's what I thought. Only thing is Thompson plays a good CF, while Jacobs plays an adequate LF. That's a big difference. I agree. A 36-year-old Thornton wasn't very relevant to this team considering the standings. I think it's a very good move. After doing some reading I have Jacobs at No. 6 in the system behind Johnson, Thompson, Anderson, Hawkins and Phegley. He's clearly more advanced than a guy like Keon Barnum, who is just about a consensus top 10 prospect. The more I hear the more this sounds like a nice get after my initial reaction of looking up his stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 QUOTE (danman31 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 09:43 PM) That's what I thought. Only thing is Thompson plays a good CF, while Jacobs plays an adequate LF. That's a big difference. I agree. A 36-year-old Thornton wasn't very relevant to this team considering the standings. I think it's a very good move. After doing some reading I have Jacobs at No. 6 in the system behind Johnson, Thompson, Anderson, Hawkins and Phegley. He's clearly more advanced than a guy like Keon Barnum, who is just about a consensus top 10 prospect. We could always go to the wishbone with Dunn as QB and Walker/Jacobs at RB, Mitchell at WR, then Hawkins at OLB/SS. Trayce can be like Antonio Gates at hybrid TE/WR/h-back. We also have Kevan Smith, the former Pitt QB, haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 13, 2013 -> 04:01 AM) I don't mind this trade by Kenny Williams It's funny, as I got done reading the newest BA that says Jacobs was the biggest disappointment of the first half for Red Sox farm system. Yikes. Kind of scary, Fathom, but predictable. What a coincidence you read that right before the trade. QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 13, 2013 -> 04:11 AM) Anybody, that is complaining about this deal, what did you expect? Everyone wanted Thornton out of here and has been on the downside of his career as of late. Getting Boston's 11th rated prospect according to mlb.com is pretty good value. He's 22 in AA, has very high offensive potential while his defense is a work in progress. I like it. I thought some people were saying Thornton had real value. This screams 'salary dump' to me. Of course I can't prove the prospect we got will never pan out. Sounds to me like management hopes he's the next Konerko. I hope he's not the next Dunn (a K machine). QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jul 13, 2013 -> 04:23 AM) Send him back to LSU and see if Les Miles needs a receiver with one year of eligibility. Buddy Bell has lost all credibility with me by continuing to tout Mitchell. It ain't happening. Wasn't Mitchell a first-round pick? Another example of a draft pick gone bad? You mean the draft is an inexact science, especially with the White Sox? QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 13, 2013 -> 04:28 AM) Another football player. They are determined to have one of these guys pan out. Great line, Dick Allen. Nice line. My take: Salary dump. Salary dump. Salary dump. The guy is 22? I'd say either he plays for our team by the time he's a young 24, or forget him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 QUOTE (danman31 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 10:43 PM) That's what I thought. Only thing is Thompson plays a good CF, while Jacobs plays an adequate LF. That's a big difference. I agree. A 36-year-old Thornton wasn't very relevant to this team considering the standings. I think it's a very good move. After doing some reading I have Jacobs at No. 6 in the system behind Johnson, Thompson, Anderson, Hawkins and Phegley. He's clearly more advanced than a guy like Keon Barnum, who is just about a consensus top 10 prospect. Yeah, I left the D out on purpose, going more off of the bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 10:47 PM) Yikes. Kind of scary, Fathom, but predictable. What a coincidence you read that right before the trade. I thought some people were saying Thornton had real value. This screams 'salary dump' to me. Of course I can't prove the prospect we got will never pan out. Sounds to me like management hopes he's the next Konerko. I hope he's not the next Dunn (a K machine). Wasn't Mitchell a first-round pick? Another example of a draft pick gone bad? You mean the draft is an inexact science, especially with the White Sox? Great line, Dick Allen. Nice line. My take: Salary dump. Salary dump. Salary dump. The guy is 22? I'd say either he plays for our team by the time he's a young 24, or forget him. $3M really doesn't count as a salary dump. Thornton had OK value by himself in a trade. More in a package. He's a 36 year old reliever who is on the downside of his career and we got a new addition to our Top 10 prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 So Veal, Purcey, Moskos and Santos Rodriguez our the top 4 LH relievers at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 10:50 PM) So Veal, Purcey, Moskos and Santos Rodriguez our the top 4 LH relievers at the moment. Moskos was released last month. I guess you could throw Leesman in there if they decide to make him a reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 I figure the Sox just saved roughly $3.25 million. Thornton making $5.5. Prorated for the rest of the season they owed him another $3 million or so. Add another $1 million for the buyout and then subtract the $750,000 being sent to Boston. Question Number Two: Who's next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 John Sickels weighs in, saying the deal makes sense for both teams. Also includes video of Jacobs. http://www.minorleagueball.com/2013/7/13/4...-brandon-jacobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 Tired of players that have no natural talent coming into a system that does not develop them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 10:08 PM) I figure the Sox just saved roughly $3.25 million. Thornton making $5.5. Prorated for the rest of the season they owed him another $3 million or so. Add another $1 million for the buyout and then subtract the $750,000 being sent to Boston. Question Number Two: Who's next? Lindstrom, although only making 500K and the fact that their 7th/8th inning relief corps is even thinner now...they might decide to keep him OR put Casper Wells in the bullpen, haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 10:12 PM) Tired of players that have no natural talent coming into a system that does not develop them. you mean "baseball talent" I am sure, or baseball acumen we need baseball players (like Beckham) with innate instincts, not athletes we're trying to turn into baseball players Edited July 13, 2013 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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