southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 12:35 PM) A-Rod probably gave him permission b/c the Yankees are making up phony injuries trying to keep him from playing, and pushing the MLB to ban him/void his contract. They're going to lose. I think they will be able to void his contract. It might take a while and some time in court, but I think it will happen. When Colorado voided Denny Nagles contract years back, this what they based it on... section 7 (b) (1) of the Uniform Player Contract, which states the team can terminate the contract if a player shall "fail, refuse or neglect to conform his personal conduct to the standards of good citizenship and good sportsmanship or to keep himself in first-class physical condition." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 24, 2013 Author Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 10:59 AM) Here's the one question NOBODY has answered. Did he juice in 2012? This year? If so it doesn't seem he was caught. Assuming he was clean in 2012, he absolutely raked so you could make the argument that it made no difference to him whatsoever. It seems that his association with the Pharma company is what did him in here, and he is just admitting guilt to that now that all of the skeletons have been removed from the closet. My guess is after all of the drama in the 2011 off season he would've been hard pressed to continue to juice throughout 2012 and into 2013 no? And if that was the case, why isn't anyone reporting a positive test over the past 1.5 seasons? QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 11:02 AM) They're saying there was evidence of continued and cyclic use. I would say there's a decent chance the guy is juicing as we speak QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 11:17 AM) Strange that he never tested positive in the past 1.5 years though? It's worth noting that this year was supposed to be the first year that MLB began the systematic, internationally-accepted style blood testing with long-term comparisons and monitoring. Prior to this year, MLB was using the same designed-to-be-beaten tests that the NFL and others were using. The test prior to this year was beatable. I'm not sure it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 01:48 PM) I think they will be able to void his contract. It might take a while and some time in court, but I think it will happen. When Colorado voided Denny Nagles contract years back, this what they based it on... section 7 (b) (1) of the Uniform Player Contract, which states the team can terminate the contract if a player shall "fail, refuse or neglect to conform his personal conduct to the standards of good citizenship and good sportsmanship or to keep himself in first-class physical condition." A-Rod is scum, but this is a blood issue with the player's union and I think the Yankees are digging a hole here making that more difficult. They regret bidding against themeslves giving them 10 years at age 31 at the cost of the GDP of a small African nation, and now they want out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 12:54 PM) A-Rod is scum, but this is a blood issue with the player's union and I think the Yankees are digging a hole here making that more difficult. They regret bidding against themeslves giving them 10 years at age 31 at the cost of the GDP of a small African nation, and now they want out. I have no doubt they want out, and will do whatever they can to get out. But I also think they will succeed. There is precedence for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 24, 2013 Author Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 01:54 PM) A-Rod is scum, but this is a blood issue with the player's union and I think the Yankees are digging a hole here making that more difficult. They regret bidding against themeslves giving them 10 years at age 31 at the cost of the GDP of a small African nation, and now they want out. If they really regret it...forfeit the 2009 world series trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 12:25 PM) Braun, though it sounds like they have that and more against A-Rod Really? Wow. I definitely read that they had way more on A-Rod. I thought that they only had a few notes about Braun from Biogenesis, nothing major. But if they have cycles and such about Braun, then A-Rod has to be f***ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 12:24 PM) Jack McDowell anyone else notice that the vast majority of juicers have been Scott Boras clients? Look it up. Those we KNOW and those we all suspect (ie know) Boras deserves some heat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 01:31 PM) Really? Wow. I definitely read that they had way more on A-Rod. I thought that they only had a few notes about Braun from Biogenesis, nothing major. But if they have cycles and such about Braun, then A-Rod has to be f***ed. They do have more on A-Rod, but it has been indicated by TJ Quinn and others that MLB turned up much more than just notes on Braun as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Should be noted that the only party to attempt to buy the evidence that MLB purchased from Biogenesis was ARod. Braun has never truly denied using PEDs, he just appealed the initial suspension and won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Danny Knobler @DannyKnoblerCBS 12m Heard from someone at Miller Park last night that some fans had Braun jerseys with "B" and "N" changed to "F" and "D" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 24, 2013 Author Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 04:03 PM) Should be noted that the only party to attempt to buy the evidence that MLB purchased from Biogenesis was ARod. Braun has never truly denied using PEDs, he just appealed the initial suspension and won. That's seriously parsing words. Here's his reaction to the first report of his positive test: "It's BS." Here's his reaction to the successful appeal: "“It is the first step in restoring my good name and reputation,” Braun said. “We were able to get through this because I am innocent and the truth is on our side.” Here's his rant from the first press conference: "If I had done this intentionally or unintentionally I'd be the first one to step up and say, 'I did it.' By no means am I perfect, but if I've ever made any mistakes in my life I've taken responsibility for my actions. I truly believe in my heart, and I would bet my life that this substance never entered by body at any point." I mean, I technically can't find him saying "I never took steroids" in that order...but...I kinda want his life based on his bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 03:08 PM) That's seriously parsing words. Here's his reaction to the first report of his positive test: "It's BS." Here's his reaction to the successful appeal: "“It is the first step in restoring my good name and reputation,” Braun said. “We were able to get through this because I am innocent and the truth is on our side.” Here's his rant from the first press conference: "If I had done this intentionally or unintentionally I'd be the first one to step up and say, 'I did it.' By no means am I perfect, but if I've ever made any mistakes in my life I've taken responsibility for my actions. I truly believe in my heart, and I would bet my life that this substance never entered by body at any point." I mean, I technically can't find him saying "I never took steroids" in that order...but...I kinda want his life based on his bet. I remembered those quotes differently for some reason. You are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 7m The #Yankees insist that A-Rod indeed had a Grade 1 strain of quadriceps, and question the validity of any other MRI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 So Arods new doctor has gotten in trouble for .... wait for it... hormones and steroids. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/p...ns-steroid-link The state of New Jersey reprimanded Alex Rodriguez' doctor this past February on the basis that Dr. Michael Gross was not properly supervising an unlicensed employee. As part of the report filed by the state attorney general, Dr. Michael Gross failed to "adequately ensure proper patient treatment involving the prescribing of hormones, including steroids" at the Acting Center for Health & Wellness. "These were not anabolic steroids," Gross told ESPNNewYork.com on Wednesday night. "They weren't that stuff. We weren't treating athletes. Steroids are not illegal. They are banned in professional sports, but we weren't treating those people. We were treating people with a medical problem -- low testosterone or menopause." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I know a lot of bodybuilders who have Low-T prescriptions. The stuff doesn't work nearly as well as anabolic steroids, but they're definitely better than being natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Some background on the guy who broke this open... http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/950...b-investigation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 11:39 AM) Some background on the guy who broke this open... http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/950...b-investigation Buried lede: "Other suspensions, including for the New York Yankees' Alex Rodriguez, are expected within the next two weeks." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Most players involved in Biogenesis scandal are expected to be suspended 50 games in the next 72 hours. Except for A-Rod who continues to fight. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--play...-233912861.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2606319 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Anybody else think it's kind of ridiculous to ban A-Rod for life? I don't care for him and think he's full of s***, but it's still a bit excessive in my opinion. (Plus, I don't want the Yankees to be off the hook for his contract) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Anybody else think it's kind of ridiculous to ban A-Rod for life? I don't care for him and think he's full of s***, but it's still a bit excessive in my opinion. (Plus, I don't want the Yankees to be off the hook for his contract) No, not ridiculous at all. He got caught cheating once yet did it again. Time to go away for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 08:18 PM) No, not ridiculous at all. He got caught cheating once yet did it again. Time to go away for good. Well there are provisions for cheating. This is because he was coercing at least one witness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 08:18 PM) No, not ridiculous at all. He got caught cheating once yet did it again. Time to go away for good. I guess I just don't see PEDs as that big of a deal, MLB allowed them and turned a blind eye for so long, suddenly they want to be the bad guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 1, 2013 -> 08:44 AM) I guess I just don't see PEDs as that big of a deal, MLB allowed them and turned a blind eye for so long, suddenly they want to be the bad guy. Yes they turned a blind eye but now that they're doing something about it, they deserve actual credit. This guy is a lifelong cheater who will walk away with $100 million because of it. He deserves a much worse fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 1, 2013 -> 07:57 AM) Yes they turned a blind eye but now that they're doing something about it, they deserve actual credit. This guy is a lifelong cheater who will walk away with $100 million because of it. He deserves a much worse fate. And how much money did he make for MLB and for the Yankees? Now that he sucks at baseball, it's suddenly much easier to kick him to the curb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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